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Two children per two parents - population grow is 0.
But here is always percentage of adults with mental illness or other health limitations or just with one or zero kinds per family.

Huh?

That's not necessarily true, kf095, as life expectency increases, 2 children per 2 adults can be significant population growth... plus, you're only thinking of the local population growth, in many poorer countries it is still the norm to have lots of children. It depends if you are looking at the population as a country or as the world.

One thing you should consider, though, is that families that make the choice not to have kids, or to have only one kid, are not necessarily selfish, they may see the world as having too many people now to be sustainable, and they see you as selfish for further wanting to hog the limited resources. I'm not sure who would be right, but I really don't think either is "selfish", rather, they're just trying to do what they see as the best thing to do.

The main thing I do agree with you on is that we should limit immigration until the government gets it's act in gear as far as recognizing international qualifications and providing "what's different in Canada" training rather than making fully qualified people start over from square one.

Based on what I am reading from you, you are suggesting that people who do not contribute to population growth are selfish or mentally ill?

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Not wanting to touch what kf095 said with a 10 ft poll...

The imigration thing is difficult, there is actually a good reason to drag our feet on this one, and that is because not all qualifications are the same. My wife works for the University of Guelph as a researcher, the people through her lab have only proven this point to us. Two people from the exact same region of the world, with the exact same qualifications, and two completely differnt sets of skill. One with a PhD that would rival a graduate from Cambridge, and the other with a PhD who would be stumped on a highschool chem test.

In some cultures bribery is not seen as a taboo as it is seen here, and often what you cannot earn you can buy, and that goes for education. So in some cases it is even difficult to differentiate two candiates from the same school.

Imagine how hard it is to hire that perfect person at your company, and how often you get "tricked" in the interview. Well the same holds for imigration, only worse. It is imigration officials who have to judge the qualifications of a person to do a job that they know nothing about. So it is all the more difficult.

What we need is both a realistic message to new imigrants that they will face difficult recertification upon arrival, and then we need to make sure that there are no barriers to access that certification process. At times the very professional fields who so deseratly need people thwart the governments efforts, as the Dr's have gone to bat to restrict access to the retraining internships. I think most (or at least the most dedicated who we want) are not unwilling to work hard to come here. But at this time working hard guarenttees nothing, and some barriers are insurmountable.

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I hadn't thought of fake qualifications, but that's an excellent point... perhaps before as part of the immigration process you write a standard test proving your qualifications generically, and then are fast tracked into a "what's different in Canada" kind of thing.

For example, if they are claiming to be a doctor, then test basic anatomy and equipment knowledge, and assuming they pass that with flying colors, fast track their application and have them take a course on specific things that are different, such as Canadian drugs and administrative procedures (how Ohip works, for example). If they can't ace the first test, then no fast track and they have to do a full medical degree here in Canada.

Healthy and wealthy with no kids are contributing to another families with kids by higher taxes and donations. Ideally. If they do not - selfish.
Mental means mentally ill people held in institution or living among normal people. Some of them are able to support themselves but not somebody else like kids.

Yep, I knew good guys, but I knew also bad guys who were able to get here by using of fake diploma. In Russia or China it is available just at the dark corner of the street.
Because of incredible corruption level they are able to buy original blank documents and stamps and just fulfill them.
Immigration Canada due to the 800.000.00 of the backlog of immigration applications is doing the fast track procedure. No interview about job skills, only language test. So they are not checking working skills at all before this criminal is landing at Pirson. Some of them are happy on the welfare but some of them are very dangerous to society. I know the story about one guy who was able to be a doctor here without any real medical education, he made false 1 million dollar insurance claim and finally went to USA after getting of Canadian Passport. But before he ripped off his wife parents making them homeless and know he is trying to get four children from her.

National news related to the New Milton Story.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

….New census data released today shows Canada has the fastest population growth of any Group of Eight industrialized country. And most of that is coming from immigrants….
… “You can see the immense urbanization of our population," Anil Arora, the director general of Statistics Canada's Census Branch, told Canada AM. "Ninety per cent of the growth we saw between 2001 and 2006 happened in our 33 metropolitan areas."
"What's interesting is you see the growth surrounding the metropolitan areas is double the national rate - 11 per cent growth in those areas."
By far, the fastest growing municipality was Milton, Ont., about 55 kilometres west of Toronto. It posted a 71.4 per cent growth rate between 2001 and 2006….
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