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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:51 pm 
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Hi Taiji and other posters about this application.

Please remember that this report is only the staff recommendation based on their technical review of the application and all comments from the public and other agencies.

The Administration and Planning Committee which consists of 5 members of Council plus the Mayor can either accept the staff recommendation as presented, modify it depending on public and their own concerns or reject it based on the information presented.

I understand from planning staff that some of the site plan work has already been done by the applicant who can be recommended by Council to consult with the immediate neighbours regarding detailed site plan concerns similar to the First Capital application at Derry and Bronte which satisfied the majority of neighbouring residents concerns.

This corner has been designated as a neighbourhood commercial area since the 2003 secondary plan for the area. The application seeks some changes in the proposed zoning which the committee then recommends to the full council on November 21st which has the final say at the Town level. Any disputes on the application approval can be taken to the Ontario Municipal Board which has happened with some other applications in Milton.

If you have any concerns with the report you can email or call Chris Lupis the planner responsible for the report or register as a delegation before 10 am Monday to speak at the meeting through www.milton.ca under delegations.

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Hi All,

I was at the site today taking a walk around my house. I had a question about the hood fan in the kitchen.

We paid to have our cabinets go to the ceiling with a flyover to cover the bulkhead, as shown:


http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k56 ... photo4.jpg

I'm pretty sure they will cover that extra 'bump' of drywall, but er...i dunno. :?:

I asked a person from the work crew who said that the bump had not been covered in other homes that already had the fan installed. But, he also said that the cabinets in those homes had not been extended all the way to the ceiling, either....but again, this is all hearsay because I haven't bothered to look... :oops:

Thoughts, before I call Intracorp?? Have you noticed this?


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Hi All,

I was at the site today taking a walk around my house. I had a question about the hood fan in the kitchen.

We paid to have our cabinets go to the ceiling with a flyover to cover the bulkhead, as shown:


http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k56 ... photo4.jpg

I'm pretty sure they will cover that extra 'bump' of drywall, but er...i dunno. :?:

I asked a person from the work crew who said that the bump had not been covered in other homes that already had the fan installed. But, he also said that the cabinets in those homes had not been extended all the way to the ceiling, either....but again, this is all hearsay because I haven't bothered to look... :oops:

Thoughts, before I call Intracorp?? Have you noticed this?


Not an issue with us and I can't really tell from your photo what that is so I can't comment.

Call Paris Kitchens.


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Yep, thanks. By your response, I assume my question may only be related to those with bulkheads and you dont have a bulkhead, y/n? If not, how high does yours go?


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Jdub wrote:
Yep, thanks. By your response, I assume my question may only be related to those with bulkheads and you dont have a bulkhead, y/n? If not, how high does yours go?


Yeah, no bulkhead where our cabinets are. We did choose to have them go to the ceiling as well.


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We received a letter the other day from Intracorp in regards to the PDI. They stated in the letter that we would be given a date and time and that they will not be offering alternatives. We can appreciate that they have a number of PDI's to do, however the tone on this is not what we would have expected. In addition to that they indicate that we are to limit to number of adults to those shown on the Purchase Agreement.
While we are not expecting to have a scheduling issue, we think it’s important to know our rights under Tarion. Also, it sounds from the letter that they are planning on limiting the length of the PDI to 2 hrs, from our previous experience this is not a process we will be willing to rush, and we will both be attending and likely also have a designate with us as well.

We had a quick look on the Tarion website, and found the following bulletin issued by Tarion in July 2005 and appears to still be the most current interpretation, Bulletin #42 page #5 and thought we would share it with everyone:

http://www.tarion.com/New-Home-Builders ... 9FINAL.pdf

On or before the date of possession, the builder is required to conduct a PDI of the home with (at the purchaser‟s option): (i) the purchaser; or (ii) the purchaser‟s designate; or (iii) both the purchaser and his/her designate, and to complete the CCP and the PDI Form with the purchaser, or with the purchaser‟s designate if the purchaser is not attending the PDI

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Tarion‟s expectation is that every builder will use their best efforts to arrange with each purchaser a mutually convenient time to conduct the PDI with the purchaser and/or the purchaser‟s designate.
The builder's best efforts should include: Contacting the purchaser well in advance to set up a mutually convenient time to conduct the PDI; Providing the purchaser with a few reasonable choices of date and time for the PDI; and Explaining to the purchaser that he/she can send a designate instead of attending the PDI personally or bring a designate with him/her.


Thanks for that. Also read as for timing it should take about an hour per 1000 sq ft.


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Hi Kayak

Thanks for the post and interest in the issue. Anyone wanting to speak at the meeting can register before 10 am Monday online at www.milton.ca under delegations. The Durland application is the second technical report being presented Monday night and I would recommend that anyone who wants to attend the meeting to be there before 7 pm.

The main parking lot for the Town hall is on the north side of Mary St. opposite the main entrance. Inside turn right and follow the signs to the second floor council chambers in the older section of the Town Hall facing Victoria park.

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kla&a wrote:
We received a letter the other day from Intracorp in regards to the PDI. They stated in the letter that we would be given a date and time and that they will not be offering alternatives. We can appreciate that they have a number of PDI's to do, however the tone on this is not what we would have expected. In addition to that they indicate that we are to limit to number of adults to those shown on the Purchase Agreement.
While we are not expecting to have a scheduling issue, we think it’s important to know our rights under Tarion. Also, it sounds from the letter that they are planning on limiting the length of the PDI to 2 hrs, from our previous experience this is not a process we will be willing to rush, and we will both be attending and likely also have a designate with us as well.

We had a quick look on the Tarion website, and found the following bulletin issued by Tarion in July 2005 and appears to still be the most current interpretation, Bulletin #42 page #5 and thought we would share it with everyone:

http://www.tarion.com/New-Home-Builders ... 9FINAL.pdf

On or before the date of possession, the builder is required to conduct a PDI of the home with (at the purchaser‟s option): (i) the purchaser; or (ii) the purchaser‟s designate; or (iii) both the purchaser and his/her designate, and to complete the CCP and the PDI Form with the purchaser, or with the purchaser‟s designate if the purchaser is not attending the PDI

as well

Tarion‟s expectation is that every builder will use their best efforts to arrange with each purchaser a mutually convenient time to conduct the PDI with the purchaser and/or the purchaser‟s designate.
The builder's best efforts should include: Contacting the purchaser well in advance to set up a mutually convenient time to conduct the PDI; Providing the purchaser with a few reasonable choices of date and time for the PDI; and Explaining to the purchaser that he/she can send a designate instead of attending the PDI personally or bring a designate with him/her.


According to Tarions instructions to builders - the PDI should last one hour per 1000 square feet of the home. Tarion also suggests that builders spend as much time on the exterior of the homes as they spend on the interior but frankly, most exterior issues are not that relevant during the PDI process, and because the exterior will likely be mostly muck, excessive time spent on this would be wasteful. I would however advise that outside the home you look for missing caulking between siding materials and around windows, doors etc. or anything else that may allow moisture into the structure during the winter.

If outside the home, the final grading is not done then make sure that the dirt around your home will still divert water from the house as this is required by code. Having poor grading around a property through the winter is a sure fire way to experience a basement leak.

During the PDI - don't take children or friends to show the house. Take rubber boots for the exterior if needed, a flashlight to check under counters, in cabinets, etc., take slippers for the basement so your socks don't get dirty, and a microfiber cloth to carefully evaluate whether a mark on a kitchen cabinet ( for example ) is a scratch or a bit of dirt.

During the PDI it is important to focus on the issues that are important at that time.

For example,

A broken brick at the back corner of the house is irrelevant compared to a scratch or chip on your beautiful granite kitchen counter.

A crack in a basement window frame is irrelevant compared to a dent in the front door.

Weather you have enough insulation in the attic is irrelevant compared to a chip or big gouge in the master tub.

Damaged siding on the side wall of the house is irrelevant compared to damaged, scratched, or cupped hardwood floors.

Get the point? The broken brick, the cracked window frame, the insulation shortage, and the damaged siding are all covered beyond the PDI, while the chipped counter, the dented front door, the gouge in the tub, and the damaged hardwood floor are all required to be identified during the PDI.

Here is another way to look at it.

Lets say that after you move into the home with some furniture and appliances you notice a scratch on the hardwood floor, damage to the kitchen counter, and some damage on the front door - then would the builder be responsible at that time? The answer is no.

The PDI rep will likely have some green painter tape to help identify issues for repair after the PDI. Don't be bashful, ask for what ever you need to mark issues.

Focus on counters, cabinets, cabinet doors, hardwood floors, stairs, walls, ceilings, tubs, sinks, the front door, the garage door, the garage man door, etc. Look for cracks, chips, scratches, dents, etc. Point out anything that looks poor or below average, anything from outlets that are not straight to a dent on the furnace cover.

Unlock, open, close, and lock each window and check them for good operability and damage or cracks.

Check the door in each room to confirm that it opens, closes, and latches properly. Also the door should not swing closed or open by itself and if the hinges screech the they are likely not installed properly, IE. - out of alignment.

Use your senses during the inspection process -

Feel the tubs, counters, and other surfaces for scratches, paint splatter, etc. that may be hard to see.

Look carefully at kitchen counters and other surfaces, use the light in the room and look at them from different angles.

At sinks turn on the water, feel for hot and cold water. Check the stopper function at bathroom sinks, then with your hand feel under the drain of the sink to see or feel any moisture on your hand. Use your flashlight to check for leaks or damage under or in cabinets.

Flush each toilet.

Make sure you have all your upgrades.

As issues are found make sure the PDI Rep notes each issue.

NOTE - The PDI is not the time to bring in a professional to do a "home inspections" to "inspect" the home. This will distract you from the important issues noted above.

For more information carefully review the Construction Performance Guidelines on Tarions website here.

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Does anyone know if part of the bid they want to intro a car wash? i ask because if there will be a car wash there will be vaccum cleaners....

They are LOUD...the Petro on Derry and Thompson has had city orders to stop car wash and vaccum cleaner operations as of 9 pm every night (not sure about weekend). this is becasue the houses right next to them complained about the noise...thoughts?


on the note of the development i go to the site couple times a week. moving along well, the contruction on the property behind or east of the intracorp development has started as well.. i guess thats good and bad. Good so we have the main vibration fromt he digging out of the way, bad because i kind of liked the green space behind my house (#7) but o well i knew that was a temp thing. For the folks on the northern side of Savoline until lot 8 or so backyards arent too bad, but after that they just angle down to nothing...because of the way they run the boundry.

Garage doors went in for alof of the houses on the savoline side. I must say i am a bit diss apointed at the paint job they did on the door. kind of sloppy, paint all over the rubber side strips.....but i could be just picky...

granite and carpet are in for amost of the 1-7 lots....for the most part looks like finishing touches and clean up left and the houses are done....


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I'm opposed lot 15 here, sending an email now.

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Got a letter emailed to me from the Town to say that the application to rezone to gas bar was approved. :?

Not great news, but it doesn't mean that a petrol station for sure be constructed there - the developer still needs to market the land/business, etc. so we'll just have to wait and see.

Let's hope YMCA or another company requests the daycare as shown in one of the plans - that will definitely scare any gas company away. Besides that, i think we'd need one there anyway.


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We should also contact the Niagara Escarpment Commission, I wonder if they know of the towns plan to approve a gas station to go in at the base of the escarpment.

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Hi Zaskar

The Niagara Escarpment Commission was circulated for comments during the Technical report along with about 30 different agencies. They had no concerns regarding this application.

You can contact Christian Lupis the planner in charge of the application to be involved in the site plan application now at 905-878-7252 or email him at christian.lupis@milton.ca. The site plan process also has public comment similar to the First Capital application at Bronte and Derry where neighbouring residents got some changes made in the application and also a sound wall opposite the traffic lights at Shoppers Drug Mart.

I also understand there is a day care provider talking with the applicant now to locate on the site which may solve some concerns of people.

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colin b. wrote:
Hi Zaskar

The Niagara Escarpment Commission was circulated for comments during the Technical report along with about 30 different agencies. They had no concerns regarding this application.

You can contact Christian Lupis the planner in charge of the application to be involved in the site plan application now at 905-878-7252 or email him at christian.lupis@milton.ca. The site plan process also has public comment similar to the First Capital application at Bronte and Derry where neighbouring residents got some changes made in the application and also a sound wall opposite the traffic lights at Shoppers Drug Mart.

I also understand there is a day care provider talking with the applicant now to locate on the site which may solve some concerns of people.

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Is there a public meeting for site plan to be presented to the community? I have a few comments to add...or do I just contact Mr Lupis?


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