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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:07 pm 
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I think Rick should offer up a prize to the person that gets the first post on the 100th page. (only if is actually discusses the topic)... I'm taking a break from it, but I had to get in on all this 100 talk.

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We should all go to the roof of town hall the night of the 100th page (later today) with signs and spotlights pointing to the sky waiting for the arrival of the 10% deline...


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more like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRyoFgAhW4c


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Ol Skool wrote:
Nah...I think I'll stick with my original choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU


Awesome, exactly how this thread has gone for 97 pages. lol


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CMHC has to take a lot of blame for the price increases over the last 20 years.


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Ol Skool wrote:
Canadian 2nd Quarter GDP came out this morning.

Survey says...

Minus 0.4 aka contraction.

So to recap. If we get another negative GDP in the 3rd Quarter what do we have the second half of this year? A recession....

But I thought Canada was weathering this economic storm so well? That's what Carney and Flaherty have been saying? They've even been travelling the world lecturing other countries on how they should be more like us.

Our GDP is actually negative BEFORE the U.S. so considering that country is a mess that isn't getting better anytime soon and we are not lagging them but getting AHEAD of them, what does that tell you about where we are headed and where housing is headed?

That said. Perhaps this is just "transitory". I'm sure there will be more "green shoots" that will occur in the 3rd quarter as the "summer of recovery" may well have taken hold. Don't worry....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaa7-FPUZU


Economists are still saying wait and see.... apparently the dip is in Exports and likely tied to the inability to get materials thanks to the Japan quake which impacted manufacturing and thus exports. They believe in the next quarter it will be positive again.

We shall see.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:31 pm 
Will all the b.s. Im still waiting for 10 percent decline.....that is what the thread is about?


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Dabills wrote:
richard, this is what we were talking about. We aren't making more at all.

http://www.moneyville.ca/blog/post/1043 ... ation?bn=1


I have to admit, I just don't see this based on my personal experience. Yes, wage increases are down, but not by much.

I see the lazier "do just what is required" co-workers walking away with lower increases but the ones who work hard and excel in their positions always do well. Well above inflation anyways.

I've been doing a lot of work with our own HR department on various projects and have learned a few trade secrets. You see, there is actually a shortage of good talent and it's difficult to attract good talent. It costs a lot to recruit and in a time when the economy is tanking, the last thing a company wants is to lose their "top sales star" or "top marketing genius" etc. to a competitor. The minute our company offers a measly salary increase is the minute that employee is shopping around to the competition looking for a better deal.

I think the "low" wage increases talked about in the article are again tied to this dying manufacturing and general labor sector. Generally the people least likely to own homes and the skills required to perform the positions are minimal which removes that "shopping around to the competition" aspect as they can be replaced overnight.

Again, message to the kids -- stay in school :)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:56 am 
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I have to admit, I just don't see this based on my personal experience. Yes, wage increases are down, but not by much.

I see the lazier "do just what is required" co-workers walking away with lower increases but the ones who work hard and excel in their positions always do well. Well above inflation anyways.


I'll echo that, over the past 6 years my annual salary increase has ranged from 7% to 15% . I cant say thats the case for the status quo people


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Dabills wrote:
I hear ya DTC, but what you make or what i make is irrelevant. same reason i have been saying its irrelevant if i choose to buy a house next week or ten years from now.

We cant forget the jobs tied to Real estate and construction, as this slows those slow. dont kid your self, landscapers, pizza drivers, all sorts of walks of life own homes. not just people who make great money.
Are you for real?


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Dabills wrote:
if anyone cares (which apparently you do since we are headeed towards 100 pages on this thread). Check out Australia right now, just google it.


What did the Australian government do to interest rates when the rest of the world was/is battling an economic meltdown?

How does the interest rate in Australia compare to the US or here?

Just curious. I believe it's called the "biggest blunder a country could do to their economy"

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Dabills wrote:
they raised them. it sits at around 5% right now i believe. They still managed to create a massive property bubble with those rates.

now its all starting to fall apart, they have room to cut rates to "save" it if they want, just kicking the can down the road. Do the people even want it now? New homes sales in Australia suggest the tides have turned. Again, what about the 16 year olds? its amazing how short sighted we are.

if we fall into a similar issue what will we do? cut rates to zero? bring back 40 year mortages with zero down again? Sure, they can do it.


I don't get how you excuse the rising costs of EVERYTHING yet somehow feel housing should be immune.

There was a study comparing University tuition costs from 1990 to now. What was the answer? 600% increase.

Housing will get cheaper -- and smaller. That's a given. Those that want to pay less, will get less.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:29 pm 
houses will be smaller as land becomes more scarce and expensive. there will always be buyers for larger, higher end homes. dont equate your finances or personal situation, as there are many others out there with good money buying up larger homes. im still waiting for correction. ill be waiting a while it seems.


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Dabills wrote:
For sure F, there will always be Rich people.


The situation with big money is very obvious when you see that more people are working for the government than in the private sector and earnings of individuals who pocket over $100,000 annually is rising. These government employees, which there are thousands of them when you include all levels of government, are the ones who will fuel the housing sector. Their job is secure, their wage increases guaranteed so there is little risk in taking on mortgages. As demonstrated by the figures that came out recently, the 2nd quarter was brutal for the manufacturing sector. If the public sentiment to espouse the socialist virtues of the late Jack Layton becomes reality, everyone will be working for the government, so hold on everyone, there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.


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Dabills wrote:
Not all government jobs lead to big $$$. Also austerity and public cut backs are taking place all over the world and are starting here already.

We are getting poorer, not richer.


The govt jobs, at least most of them, are funded by tax payer money. So obviously the private sector is doing well enough for govt employees to pay out such payments while still keeping the tax rates relatively stable and not running huge deficits.

So the situation is not all bad. The housing situation in the GTA, given that's only a handful of population centers in Canada, and the largest one of that, will continue to be stable or growing. The reason, among other things, over quarter of million new immigrants every year with a majority making GTA their home.

Now that's gonna certainly put pressure on infrastructure and the quality of life could even go down in the area, if it hasn't aready done so in many areas (i.e. brampton or Scarborough/Malton) for example. So it may not be a very desirable place to live in the future but then there isn't much choice of other areas in eastern or central Canada that provide good opportunities.


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