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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:49 am 
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Can you tell me why the dump is mentioned on the sales agreement, but the intermodal is not? Now, I don't know if the intermodal is mentioned on sales agreements now that CN made an official announcement in March 2015. I have no idea if Ontario builders even have to disclose that type of information on the sales agreement. I believe in the U.S. they do. I wonder if anyone on here knows?


Well even Town of Milton very clearly states to find out what is around you before you buy
It is the first bullet point on their brochure which has been in circulation since at least 2013
They also say to call the town at provided number if builder does not tell you
So I assume you did some basic due diligence before ranting online?

https://www.milton.ca/en/live/resources ... 2_2014.pdf

I don't see anything on that brochure that indicates to ask about an intermodal. And, YES, I did do some basic due diligence and found out about what was going to be around that area. So, are you saying, if I called the Town of Milton, they would have told me about the intermodal? If someone at the town would tell me about the intermodal, than that just further proves my point, in that it should be on the sales agreement. Give me the name of someone at the town who you think would have told me about the intermodal.


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Sounds like you just want to be spoon fed. Lets add to your list to ask about, Airport, Power plant, Major sewage plant, Missile silos, and the big one.... a neighbor that throws food scraps in their back yards.

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What if CN wrote a letter stating they would not build an intermodal there, and you found it. Would that be considered due diligence?

You guys are really trying hard to defend a private corporation who wants to be a giant dick to make money for themselves.

Build your intermodal somewhere else. Preferably a spot where you haven't already explicitly said you're not going to build an intermodal.
About the letter....someone triple dog dared them so they have to built it now. :lol:

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Sounds like you just want to be spoon fed. Lets add to your list to ask about, Airport, Power plant, Major sewage plant, Missile silos, and the big one.... a neighbor that throws food scraps in their back yards.


I think the point was that at the time before the official announcement, even if you called the town or region it's not like anyone would have said "there's going to be a big rail yard there but it hasn't officially been announced yet" or "yeah they wanted to build an intermodal there years ago but then said they wouldn't but you never know", so the brochure wouldn't have helped one way or the other at that time. AFAIK the relevant lands were just earmarked "Employment".


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mortimer1010 wrote:
YES, I did do some basic due diligence and found out about what was going to be around that area. If someone at the town would tell me about the intermodal, than that just further proves my point, in that it should be on the sales agreement. Give me the name of someone at the town who you think would have told me about the intermodal.


It was announced back in 2001 so hardly a surprise
http://www.trucknews.com/products/milto ... he-tracks/

Unless they wrote something incorrect (residential) then you were not lied to on sales agreement

There is a number + extension in the brochure posted above to ask about land plans

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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
It was announced back in 2001 so hardly a surprise
http://www.trucknews.com/products/milto ... he-tracks/


And it was cancelled in 2008, supposedly along with a commitment not to build one there in the future. One of the councillors talked about it earlier in this thread.

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Unless they wrote something incorrect (residential) then you were not lied to on sales agreement


No one is saying they were lied to, at the time of purchase the official announcement hadn't been made, just trying to establish what the criteria is for what has to be disclosed in the warning clauses of a sales agreement when stuff is known about. For example one of the clauses mentions the dump just to the south of the sub-division as some people may object to living too close to a dump. Now that the CN project is "official", do builders have to mention it? You would think so because of the fundamental way it will affect the area. I wonder if it's on sales agreements now or if it has to be?


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There is a number + extension in the brochure posted above to ask about land plans


And, as I alluded to earlier, at the time of purchase any call to them would have yielded the answer that there were no plans yet for any of those areas just that they were currently zoned "agricultural" or "employment". The old CN plan had been cancelled 7 years earlier and the new one wasn't "Official".


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And it was cancelled in 2008, supposedly along with a commitment not to build one there in the future. One of the councillors talked about it earlier in this thread.

And, as I alluded to earlier, at the time of purchase any call to them would have yielded the answer that there were no plans yet for any of those areas just that they were currently zoned "agricultural" or "employment". The old CN plan had been cancelled 7 years earlier and the new one wasn't "Official".


Where exactly do you get the idea it was "canceled"?
At best it was "delayed"

If it makes you sleep better so far from what I have been reading CN has lost every argument with CTA
And now that they are required to show cause this project will be at least a decade before anyone breaks ground

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:12 pm 
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Mr.Peppermint wrote:

Where exactly do you get the idea it was "canceled"?
At best it was "delayed"


http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2943976-cn-drops-planned-intermodal-terminal/

Also Councillor Hamid talked about it earlier in this thread

http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64025&start=300#p523080

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If it makes you sleep better so far from what I have been reading CN has lost every argument with CTA
And now that they are required to show cause this project will be at least a decade before anyone breaks ground


That is very interesting if true, I can't imagine CN waiting around for 10 years to build this thing, I would imagine they would start looking elsewhere.


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I visited the propaganda laced CN side show at the Best Western the other day. I just hope that the so called environmental study takes into account OUR environment as well as the frogs and salamanders. This 24-7 operation will add NO value to Halton Region and according to Macleans Magazine up to 1600 trucks will be added to OUR roads every day.

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Slip Digby wrote:
That is very interesting if true, I can't imagine CN waiting around for 10 years to build this thing, I would imagine they would start looking elsewhere.


From back in Apr/May
CN was trying to bypass CTA but lost both times
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/let-r-28-2015
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/144-r-2015
http://www.halton.ca/cms/One.aspx?porta ... eId=130136

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I visited the propaganda laced CN side show at the Best Western the other day. I just hope that the so called environmental study takes into account OUR environment as well as the frogs and salamanders. This 24-7 operation will add NO value to Halton Region and according to Macleans Magazine up to 1600 trucks will be added to OUR roads every day.


Website is kind of funny bragging about how environmentally friendly the intermodal will be
http://www.cnmilton.com/#impact

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There will be no peace for our community once the intermodal is operational and 1600 trucks per day will be rolling along already congested routes along Tremaine, Britannia, Derry, Hwy 25 and eventually to the 401. Even the consultants supporting CN's initiative are blind to this unfortunate truth. Its not about bugs and bunnies, its about people which is being ignored by this process.
Landfill, big pipe, gas plant, intermodal,........ bah humbug.......... I give up...time to move.............


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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
Slip Digby wrote:
That is very interesting if true, I can't imagine CN waiting around for 10 years to build this thing, I would imagine they would start looking elsewhere.


From back in Apr/May
CN was trying to bypass CTA but lost both times
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/let-r-28-2015
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/144-r-2015
http://www.halton.ca/cms/One.aspx?porta ... eId=130136


Yes I remember when the ruling came from the CTA but according to this article the CN official doesn't seem to think it will be too much of a hurdle:

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/5635999-cn-must-apply-to-cta-for-approval-of-intermodal-terminal-in-milton/

Just curious to know why you think it may delay the project by 10 years?


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This was just posted on Inside Halton. I'm hoping this is good news...

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/ ... ssessment/


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This was just posted on Inside Halton. I'm hoping this is good news...

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/ ... ssessment/
I see this as a stall tactic. I have to wonder, what is the difference environmentally between a chuck of land below Britannia (build an intermodal) and a chunk of land above Britannia (bulldoze, houses, concrete and pavement). The area the town has already built up is 10 times the size of space CN will use, I didn't hear anyone complaining about frogs & salamanders or destroying the peaceful country side when building houses.

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prickly_pete wrote:
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lopes66 wrote:
This was just posted on Inside Halton. I'm hoping this is good news...

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/ ... ssessment/
I see this as a stall tactic. I have to wonder, what is the difference environmentally between a chuck of land below Britannia (build an intermodal) and a chunk of land above Britannia (bulldoze, houses, concrete and pavement). The area the town has already built up is 10 times the size of space CN will use, I didn't hear anyone complaining about frogs & salamanders or destroying the peaceful country side when building houses.


Because when those people built things it was done according to a plan, and they didn't do the exact opposite of what they said they wouldn't do.

Basically, if you choose to be an asshole, you're going to have to deal with some sh*t. Good on CN to have to deal with as much red tape as possible.

By those people you mean the Town? Yes the town had a plan but nobody complained about it. How many times was the plan changed before competition, we don't know and why would we care. Where is this written legally binding document that states "never to build". CN said they were not going through with building the intermodal in 2001. If that was "never build" why didn't CN sell the land, why didn't the Town buy it. Now, more red tape, is it meant to be a means to crush CN or just a stall, we have a big election coming up in Nov. Wait, didn't this just happen here when Gord was re-elected. It's inevitable, and certain ppl in this town knew all along.

Hey this might be a simple fix, if CN agrees to build a splash pad at their facility would ppl now say it's OK.

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