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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:35 pm 
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Police released a public safety advisory Wednesday, the same day 37-year-old Brendon James MacNeill was released from Maplehurst Detention Centre in Milton.

Police believe he will be living in the Mississauga area.


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So police believe he will reoffend...so why did they let him out? I thought part of being released was acknowledging what you did was wrong, showing remorse, and taking steps to better yourself. And how do police not know where he'll be, he'll be on parole, wouldn't he?


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As much as it galls me to have a likely reoffender on our streets, it is unfortunately the correct thing to do. Being released from jail has nothing to do wiht remorse or reform, but merely serving your sentence. "Being Good" may mitigate your sentence but if you serve the full term you are free to go.

This is a corner stone of our criminal justice system, that once your debt is paid your freedoms are restored, we can't presume guilt in of a future crime before it has been committed, or before long we may rationalize away the that all individuals are innocent until proven guilty. The erosion of rights and freedoms is a slippery slope, and can be lubricated by what seems like good intentions.

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There are provisions to handle individuals like that, they are known as dangerous offenders. But it cannot be applied liberally to all individuals whom the police believe might re-offend.

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"The moral test of any society is how it treats its weakest members."


This has been said by a fair number of people in the past, most recently in as an anti-abortion statement, but it transcends individual causes and speaks to the heart of the measure of a society. Included in the list of weakest members are those who have been denied there rights by due process, criminals. We must invest money and hope in treatment and rehabilitation, and reinvest these people with their rights after due process. To do less whittles away all our rights.

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Castration. That's best for these individuals. :)


They used to do that to the mentally ill, it was finally ended as being a violation of the individuals rights.

Additionally as sex offenders are rarely about the sex, and usually about the control, the inability to complete the act may not actually prevents attacks, just change them.

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Paul and Melissa wrote:
Again, I must state that there is a difference in people who are child molestors and child pornographers then those who commit armed robberies or break and enters.

Someone who is in a gang or comits violent crime CAN be rehabilitated.

Someone who is sexually attracted to children and watches, makes or produces child pornography, or molests and hurts children can not be.

Think about it, that would be like someone trying to change you from liking a certain sex, to liking the other sex, it doesnt work.

People like this guy DO re-offend, all the time, and it is because they have to eventually satisfy their urges. Be it by watching child pornography or by actually hurting a child.

These people need to be held untill there is no fear that he may re-offend, for the childrens rights, not for this scum bags.


I didn't realize that you were a clinical psychologist, social worker, or psychiatrist working with prisoners to rehabilitate them, or affiliated with organizations who do this work.

Since you are the authority on who can and can't be rehabilitated I will defer to your diagnosis.

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I agree, Tim. When it comes to violent or sexual crimes committed against children, I'm a firm believe in medieval justice. Cut off the offending instrument(s).


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Paul and Melissa wrote:
gcpeart wrote:
Paul and Melissa wrote:
Again, I must state that there is a difference in people who are child molestors and child pornographers then those who commit armed robberies or break and enters.

Someone who is in a gang or comits violent crime CAN be rehabilitated.

Someone who is sexually attracted to children and watches, makes or produces child pornography, or molests and hurts children can not be.

Think about it, that would be like someone trying to change you from liking a certain sex, to liking the other sex, it doesnt work.

People like this guy DO re-offend, all the time, and it is because they have to eventually satisfy their urges. Be it by watching child pornography or by actually hurting a child.

These people need to be held untill there is no fear that he may re-offend, for the childrens rights, not for this scum bags.


I didn't realize that you were a clinical psychologist, social worker, or psychiatrist working with prisoners to rehabilitate them, or affiliated with organizations who do this work.

Since you are the authority on who can and can't be rehabilitated I will defer to your diagnosis.


How about you dont know what I do for a living, so dont be so snotty.

I work with criminals EVERy day of my life.


In what capacity?

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Tim wrote:
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Castration. That's best for these individuals. :)


They used to do that to the mentally ill, it was finally ended as being a violation of the individuals rights.

Additionally as sex offenders are rarely about the sex, and usually about the control, the inability to complete the act may not actually prevents attacks, just change them.


My opinion on individual rights is that if you commit such a crime, you lose your rights. I put child sex offenders up there with murderers, and feel that a punishment should fit the crime. Especially if an offence is repeated, the person should not be out on the street again, period. Our system fails in so many ways.

Tim


Repeat offense is one of the many criterion used in the dangerous offender designation process. Many rights are forfeit by criminals, and after serving their time are restored.

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Paul and Melissa wrote:
I dont generally tell people what I do for a living, for my and my families safety, so I will PM you.

What do you do?


I'm an engineer, and given your statement and the two prior I have a suspicion of what your profession is as well.

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This thread is a good reminder to always be aware of your surroundings and be vigilante with safety and your children. This guy is only 1 person who has been released. There are probably tens or hundreds of these guys within a 20KM radius of where we live.

There are also incidents that we may not hear about due to geography. An example of this is in October a pervert was hanging around pineview school between milton and G-town. My son was there for a special class and is now back at HV. They had 3 days with no recess because of this guy and the police had surveilance set up for 2 weeks before they caught the guy. Small clip in the Star after the fact, and yes he was a re-offender.

I guess my point is you do not need to be an alarmist because of this guy being released because there are always others like him out there and your radar should always be on.

Go home tonight, hug your kids and go over the safety rules.

Have a good day everyone,
Matt


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My very first impression about released person’s photo was – he is mentally challenged. If he is not under medical control he will reoffend (it is not a news for anyone), not because of his criminal mentality, but because of his mental incapacity to control himself.
Last year it was on the radio about medical research for child sex predators. Their conclusion was (for my impression under my bad English) most of them are mental and here are some commons in their physiology as well.
So my question is, why if mentally ill person is going to do it over and over again, why sometimes authorities in Canada are not fixing people like him. Castration is not only one option, it is possible to give them some pills to keep them under control. If person refusing to take pills – send him to institution to meet his mentally challenged friends but not children on the street as they do here over and over again.
Why it is always judges and lawyers who are vigorous to let go every possible mental jerk, as soon as is it "will be not enough evidence" from working hard police even if it so evidentially - once it is not first time the same jerk is facing same charges over and over again. Why those crocks in justice are not willing to protect regular and normal people not to be offended over and over again by same jerks.
Sometimes I think all of those judges and lawyers are having same dirty agenda in their heads. Even if it is not so, it looks like mafia protecting mental ill people from the right treatment in the right place. It keeps them busy and paid very well. And it is very convenient way for them to rule. Same jerk at the same trail again for the same, not enough evidence according to “lawyer”, jerk is free again because if his rights.
Screw them, all of those law jerks families must be in close proximity to the jerks they are setting to get lost over and over again. Right to the next door.


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