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Hi Spirit Chick,

Shingles can be installed over the roof sheathing. However, Tar Paper or felt paper is required along the eaves unless the slope of the roof is very steep.

As well, no paper or eave protection is required at eaves of roofs over unheated areas like garage roofs or porch roofs.

Note that this paper eave protection is the lowest quality eave protection available. Many roofers use proper Ice & Water Shield type products.

Another glaring deficiency common on new homes is that a metal drip edge is not installed along the eaves of roofs. This is considered standard on roofs except for new construction roofs.

The roofers that choose to work for builders generally work to the very minimal Ontario Building Code standards. Although many roofs that I look at have many shortcuts and OBC violations. So in reality, many of the new roofs in Milton do not even meet minimum standards.

Generally, roofing companies follow the guidelines set out by the Canadian Roofing Contractors Association. These guidelines are more involved and when followed, a better roof is provided.

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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
The roofers that choose to work for builders generally work to the very minimal Ontario Building Code standards.


They'll do what they get paid for. And usually that is to meet the minimum code requirements and nothing more. Doing more than that takes longer and therefore costs the builder more.

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Expect to do your roof in 8-10 year mark.


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They'll do what they get paid for. And usually that is to meet the minimum code requirements and nothing more. Doing more than that takes longer and therefore costs the builder more.


Sorry to disagree with you but many, like half, of the roofs that I inspect have one or more roof code violations. Usually it's because the roofer wants to take "shortcuts" and do the job quickly.

Many of these code violations have to do with the "starter strip" that is installed under the first row of shingles at the eave. Often these starter strips are missing, short, or not installed properly. The OBC has specific rules regarding this "starter strip" that I am sure the roofer is aware of. Therefore the roofer decision to not install it properly must be because he does not care, has no pride in his work, or just figures know-one will see it.

I often email clients OBC rules regarding these issues.

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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
Sorry to disagree with you but many, like half, of the roofs that I inspect have one or more roof code violations. Usually it's because the roofer wants to take "shortcuts" and do the job quickly.


My comment was addressing doing things above and beyond OBC minimums. The builders don't pay for anything beyond that, so that's why it is never done. In many cases, the resulting job done for a house by any trade is based entirely on what they are paid to do the job.

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Therefore the roofer decision to not install it properly must be because he does not care, has no pride in his work, or just figures know-one will see it.


Or more likely because they are getting squeezed monetarily. Many of them did last year in a very bad way.

It's unfortunately that piece-work is the method used to build homes. Lose on some, make it up on the others, so it turns into a speed game where corners get cut.

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BuildingHomes.ca wrote:
Halton Home Inspector wrote:
Sorry to disagree with you but many, like half, of the roofs that I inspect have one or more roof code violations. Usually it's because the roofer wants to take "shortcuts" and do the job quickly.


My comment was addressing doing things above and beyond OBC minimums. The builders don't pay for anything beyond that, so that's why it is never done. In many cases, the resulting job done for a house by any trade is based entirely on what they are paid to do the job.

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Therefore the roofer decision to not install it properly must be because he does not care, has no pride in his work, or just figures know-one will see it.


Or more likely because they are getting squeezed monetarily. Many of them did last year in a very bad way.

It's unfortunately that piece-work is the method used to build homes. Lose on some, make it up on the others, so it turns into a speed game where corners get cut.


Definitely agree that the builder paying the trades piece work is the reason so much of the work is poor quality. Add to that the fact that many builder's site supervisors offer poor supervision of the trades and the city inspectors lack of quality inspection, and so on...


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So how do they get away with not meeting/violating minimum code?


I asked the same question when my furnace was illegally (code) wired to the house next door (I had no hydro) and the building inspector put his stamp of approval on the furnace. Mattamy said it was alright and when investigated, I received no report and at Oakville Town Council, the then mayor would not accept any responsibility and nothing was done . So, you may ask but will get few answers - by the way, for the legal beagles, this case is documented in the Town of Oakville council minutes. One of the reasons I always say - hire a house inspector. No better investment.....


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Thought it was an interesting little segment.

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/Marketp ... 1387092288


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