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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Help Settle a Debate - Team Canada 2010 vs NHL All Star Team |
Hi all, just trying to take a sampling of hockey fans to settle a friendly debate amongst a group of buddies... (although I'm a basketball fan, this hockey debate came up and I can't ignore it  )
Team Canada 2010 vs any NHL All Star team of your choice from the past 20-25 yrs. Please vote and provide supporting comments if you like
Loser in our group buys beers, so please don't 'prickly-pete' this poll by choosing the opposite of what you think just for fun! hehe |
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| Author: | martin prince [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:19 pm ] |
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The wording of your options sway the answers to fall under option 1. Nothing in sports is absolute, so instead of wording "everytime, with ease", you might change it to who would win a 7 game series, or which team over the long haul of a season is better, or something like that. Even the greatest all time teams never go completely undefeated. So based on my improved voting options, I'd go with the 2010 Olympic team. also, www.whatifsports.com Play it out! |
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| Author: | JTP [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:36 pm ] |
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See, now... If you hadn't limited ot to 25years.... It would depend on how they played. Sissy All-star "rules"? (No contact.) Or Olympic rules. Go for real hockey, lose the time limit and I'll take any all star team from pre-1965 to kick the spoiled boys asses. |
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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:45 pm ] |
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Actually, Martin and Gunther, quotes from the email debate were: Guy 1: "Ok, pick any team prior to 2010 that would beat the Canadian Mens Olympic Hockey Team from 2010. I actually had any team in mind and even mentioned you could put together a fantasy team..." Guy 2: "no NHL team should ever be compared to an Olympic Gold Medal team, so to be fair in comparison, EVERY NHL ALL STAR TEAM in the past 20-30 yrs could beat team canada 2010, on any given night, yes." Guy 1: "care to take that statement to a vote on the Hawthorne Villager?" and here we are... Option 1 says they are both competitive and evenly matched. Option 2 and 3 are no contest, both ways. |
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| Author: | martin prince [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:51 pm ] |
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deleted as being factually incorrect!! |
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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:54 pm ] |
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LOL that wasn't the debate. You can win your own little debate against yourself, but that wasn't one of the options my buddies and I were talking about. The one guy challenged the other guy to pick / make / build fantasy) any NHL team that could beat the Canadian Mens team. Obviously he thinks they are an unbeatable powerhouse against even a fantasy team. obviously you've deduced I'm Guy 2 in the re-enactment... |
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| Author: | martin prince [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:58 pm ] |
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factually incorrect statement! |
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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:00 pm ] |
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something makes me think you're Guy 1 that created an account just to be here. Without posting the entire email history, Guy 1 challenged to find (including any NHL fantasy team) a team that could beat the 2010 mens team. ANY team. Easily, I found 60 teams that could potentially beat the 2010 Mens team on any given night. He said find ONE, I found 60. |
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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:03 pm ] |
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martin prince wrote: If that core group was not good enough to win the gold, then Martin wins the argument.
If you check the format of the olympics (DUH), players play for their own country. The 2009 World All Star Team was split up amongst several countries, easily defeated by the Canadian Team. You normally have intelligent posts on here, but this one is a little out there! Actually, you bring up a good scenarion. the 2009 World All star team vs the 2010 Cdn Mens team. That'd be a great game to watch, with no definite outcome on either side! Thanks, I guess I win too! |
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| Author: | martin prince [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:07 pm ] |
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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:09 pm ] |
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This is the statement being challenged in the debate... "Ok, pick any team prior to 2010 that would beat the Canadian Mens Olympic Hockey Team from 2010. I actually had any team in mind and even mentioned you could put together a fantasy team..." suggesting that no other team in the past 20-30 yrs, assembled with any players, could beat the Canadian Men's team. I think that's such a silly statement since a myriad of teams, real, or fantasy, could beat the Canadian Men's team. They're not invincible! Sorry, the guy in my emails is a bit out there at times, so I tried to take my huge favourable position out of the debate and write the poll options fairly even. |
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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:11 pm ] |
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martin prince wrote: In theory the talent gets watered down from there. So it's reasonable to think that the talent for any single European country would be collectively worse than that of the World All Star Team.
EXACTLY, which means that Team Canada 2010 has an easy ride since their competition was watered down. Team Canada vs Europe's best all on one team, now that's a good hockey game, and I'd wager that the worlds could beat them at least at least 1 out of every 5 times, if not more! Good, i thought you weren't on my side, which you clearly are. |
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| Author: | martin prince [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:16 pm ] |
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Fred D wrote: EXACTLY, which means that Team Canada 2010 has an easy ride since their competition was watered down.
Who cares if it's watered down? The option back on page one is: could Team Canada beat them. I say Yes. If I send you my email address, can you add me into this debate you're having? |
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| Author: | Fred D [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:21 pm ] |
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'Could Team Canada beat them' -- that wasn't the debate at all. Read page 1 again. The debate was that I couldn't find any team, real or made up, that had a chance against Team Canada. I'm more realistic about team canada - yes they were good, but they're not unbeatable against 30yrs of hockey history. As if they could go 82-0 is a make believe season against the All star teams put together over the years? sure, PM me your email address. Hey, option 2 got a 2nd vote... Hi Prickly Pete! now that my position is known, that sways the vote. Before that last vote, it was 6-1-1. |
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| Author: | martin prince [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:22 pm ] |
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Caught myself talking out of my own ass!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_H ... -Star_Game They went back to the East vs West format in 2003!!!! |
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