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Parking Poll With More Than Two Options
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Author:  Andrea LX [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:38 am ]
Post subject:  Parking Poll With More Than Two Options
From the parking threads and the one currently ongoing regarding parking permits it seems parking is a hotly debated item on this message board. That being said it seems from the previous poll there were only two options but in reality many things can be done.

I found it interesting how some said that the results of the previous parking permit poll indicated parking is not a problem, however, upon reading the thread many people stated various different options indicating it may very well be (the degree of the problem is open another issue entirely). I realize the poll is complex but the parking iissue is complex as well and I wanted to ensure many options were presented in an unbiased way.

From my perspective it does not impact me much as I have a single car and the builders have not yet come up the no garage no drive way architect's choice option ( I am sure it will come and be an expensive upgrade) but I also don’t mind if someone parks their car in front of my place either.
Author:  MJD03 [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:40 am ]
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I use my garage and driveway, however my concern is for visitors who either have to move their car every three hours, or can only visit me 18 times a year.
3 hour parking is ridiculous in any residental neighbourhood, and the reason for it is even more ridiculous.
Author:  gclark [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:49 am ]
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I park on the road pretty much every day, but only until my wife comes home. Then I pull my car in behind hers.

My concern is with visitors. I don't think I've ever had someone over for dinner or a bbq who stayed for less than 3 hours. I definitely don't want to open up parking to being a 24 hour free for all, and I don't want overnight parking, but a little more flexibility would be nice. A 5 or 6 hour window would be much better than 3.

I agree with MJD03 that the reason for the 3 hour limit is ridiculous.
Author:  big_mac [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:57 am ]
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Street parking isn't a concern on my street, so I don't get too worked up about this topic in general. That said, I've never lived in city/town until I moved to Milton that even had street parking by-laws (other than Toronto). However, I can see why some would get annoyed at it if it's being abused by homeowners, instead of being used for primarily visitors. I park my cars on the street at times, but only when I am working in the garage. Otherwise they are in the driveway. And this seems to be the case with most people on my street.

I personally don't see the issue with parking on the road during the day, for more then 3 hours. More than 6 even. What's to stop me from getting in my car after 3 hours and driving around the block, or switching it with a car that's in the driveway, or simply just wiping off the chalk from the tire if it's been tagged?

What is the issue, it is street parking in general, or is it the overnight considerations that is allowing the issue to perpetuate? What if people could park on the street all day, but the number of overnight considerations per vehicle was greatly reduced? Would that go towards the best of both worlds?
Author:  mikefc [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:06 am ]
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I have visitors over and they don't get tickets and rarely see people getting tickets unless they park overnight on my street. I'd guess that the 'problem' streets where nobody is using the actual parking spaces they have, other residents call to complain and those areas are getting hit harder and then the people who think 3 hours is ridiculous are getting hit with tickets because there are ALWAYS cars parked on those streets. Just a thought. Can't really sympathize with people who bought a house with 2 spots and have 4 cars... or if your teenager wanted to buy a car, the first question I'd be asking them is where they plan to park it if I had limited spaces.
Author:  gclark [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:06 am ]
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Bamelin wrote:
What is the reason again?


From what I understand the basics of it are that the person who first 'marks' (I've heard this could be them writing down a license plate, or marking tires with chalk) the vehicle for the 3 hour limit is apparently legally required to also ticket the vehicle. So you can't have a bylaw enforcement officers mark a vehicle in one shift, and have a second officer ticket it during the next shift. If the parking limit is increased they won't be able to mark and ticket as many vehicles.
Author:  MJD03 [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:13 am ]
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Bamelin wrote:
What is the reason again?


Fred D wrote:
Here's what I learned from talking directly with parking enforcement and the town:


The time is 3hrs because of this reason, and this reason ONLY (so silly! I laughed when I heard it). The law states that is must be the SAME officer that does the marking and ticketing of the car. One officer cannot mark the tires, and have another one ticket 3 hours later.
What does this mean?
In an 8 hour shift, an officer can mark tires from hrs 0-5, ticket from hrs 3-8 on their 8 hr shift. This allows for maximum coverage and efficiency of the officers, ESPECIALLY since this task is actually farmed out to a private company).

If the parking limitation was 5 hrs instead of 3 hrs, on officer would only be able to mark tires for hrs 1, 2, 3, then they would have to wait and do nothing for 2 hrs until the 5hr mark, at which point they can start to go back and ticket.

This is based on logistics, and the silly rule that it has to be the same officer doing the marking AND ticketing. A simple process could fix that, but you'd have to change the law before you could change the rule.

I'm assuming this information is accurate since it was given to me by the authorities that govern the process today.
Author:  Diana [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:22 am ]
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Question: I live really close to a public elementary school. Can I instruct my visitors to park in the school parking lot (after hours of course) and keep them completely off of the road? Are we allowed to use the school parking lots?
Author:  Kevin&Amanda [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:42 am ]
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6 hours AND up the number of considerations.
Author:  Andrea LX [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:44 am ]
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While I began this thread thinking it did not matter either way if there was a change I think I have been swayed to the 6 hour camp. My guest's always think it is the oddest thing in the world when I ask them for their plates when they come over. Eventually I will have a large enough database of friends plates to either request exemptions or file false complaints against them ;)

The whole process makes me feel like a child asking my parents if my friends can come over to play. The only difference is my friend get's punished when I forget to ask permission instead of me.

It's too bad I can't vote in my own poll because you need 55 posts for some reason to vote. I can see this fact in and of itself being a source of biased in these polls.
Author:  Fred D [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:12 pm ]
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I love that restrictions exist, but I'm also in the 5-6 hr camp.
We have a great group of neighbours that often offer up their empty spaces to each other for family events, but there are still times when people's guests have to park on the street.

I see no difference between the 3 and 5 hour options from a safety and abuse standpoint... there's a good conversation over here too:

http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/ ... hp?t=19868
Hey, Zeeshan agrees with me too! (well, in 2009 he did).

All that said, I have no problem making it work with 3 hrs and 18 considerations PER vehicle, it's just a little silly when guests are visiting - "hey, let's promote milton and all the parks and community atmosphere! BUT, leave your car at home since there's nowhere to park it, and btw, you can't get here by transit either" :)
Author:  mikefc [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:17 pm ]
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Well now you have some ideas to write down when creating a feature sheet for the garage door. :lol:
Author:  Fred D [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:20 pm ]
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mikefc wrote:
Well now you have some ideas to write down when creating a feature sheet for the garage door. :lol:

LOL!

I'm ALL about mentioning the 4 and 6-car parking, but I have YET to put a feature card on an exterior garage door. Maybe a HUGE 6ft x 4ft one? hehe great idea Mike!

lol
Author:  ppst99 [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:12 pm ]
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If people own more vehicles than parking spots... i personally don't think its anyone's problem but theirs! Don't buy additional cars unless you own a place to put them.

As for visitors, perhaps increasing the 3 hours isn't a bad idea, but i'd be weary of residents abusing it to use the street as a personal parking lot.

On the other hand, if guests plates are called in as they arrive then no worries about 3 hour limits and no need to ask them to move.
Author:  rock_80 [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:58 pm ]
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Im for making it complicated....

Well if guests are the primary concern, we could all sign a release waver with the town where they can see what cars are registered at a given address. Bylaw officer could then use a mobile app on his/her iphone access that registry, and if a license plate isnt in the database or if it is and further than 500m away from the address its registered to it gets 6 hours parking. If its in the database and within 500m of the home it gets 3hours.
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