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Author:  MJD03 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:58 am ]
Post subject:  Heated topic of the day on the Globe and Mail...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1874725/

This politcal correctness and religious rights stuff is getting out of control...Quebec has the right idea in my opinion...

A weapon is a weapon. period.
Author:  Kevin&Amanda [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:11 am ]
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I always found it ironic (maybe not the right word) when people who are asking/preaching/demanding acceptance for their beliefs are not understanding/accommodating when they are asked for the same thing.

Please accept the fact that for the general security of everyone in a gov't building you can not bring your weapon (ceremonial or not) into the building. Maybe if you show some understanding, they will do the same in turn.
Author:  dtc [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:13 am ]
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When in the heat of anger and upset, it's human nature to throw common sense aside and use whatever is on hand to inflict pain or injury. This is why I would be against people carrying guns around all day.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/a ... ggers?bn=1

"Within seconds, one in the crowd, clutching a thick steel bangle, punched Manjit Mangat, the 53-year-old president of the Sikh temple, in the face. Witnesses say at least two men brandished unsheathed kirpans, the Sikh ceremonial dagger.

The next moment, Mangat, a prominent Brampton lawyer, was on the ground — his face bloodied and a 5-inch wound in his abdomen."
Author:  Batman B [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:32 am ]
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dtc wrote:
When in the heat of anger and upset, it's human nature to throw common sense aside and use whatever is on hand to inflict pain or injury. This is why I would be against people carrying guns around all day.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/a ... ggers?bn=1

"Within seconds, one in the crowd, clutching a thick steel bangle, punched Manjit Mangat, the 53-year-old president of the Sikh temple, in the face. Witnesses say at least two men brandished unsheathed kirpans, the Sikh ceremonial dagger.

The next moment, Mangat, a prominent Brampton lawyer, was on the ground — his face bloodied and a 5-inch wound in his abdomen."


WOW, I was about to say those things are probably decorative so let them wear it for cultural/religious reasons.
Author:  MJD03 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:52 am ]
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RichardAndLiz wrote:
dtc wrote:
When in the heat of anger and upset, it's human nature to throw common sense aside and use whatever is on hand to inflict pain or injury. This is why I would be against people carrying guns around all day.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/a ... ggers?bn=1

"Within seconds, one in the crowd, clutching a thick steel bangle, punched Manjit Mangat, the 53-year-old president of the Sikh temple, in the face. Witnesses say at least two men brandished unsheathed kirpans, the Sikh ceremonial dagger.

The next moment, Mangat, a prominent Brampton lawyer, was on the ground — his face bloodied and a 5-inch wound in his abdomen."


WOW, I was about to say those things are probably decorative so let them wear it for cultural/religious reasons.


Yeah not so much. Pretty crazy...
And they allow these things on airplanes!!
Author:  hvanseg [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:04 pm ]
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the Kirpan is not allowed on airplanes

"In the case of air travel, a ban has been strictly enforced. International standards imposed a strict prohibition against all sharp objects, including the kirpan, regardless of a person’s religion or culture. In 1999, the Canadian Human Rights Commission decided that a demand to wear the kirpan on airplanes did not constitute a reasonable accommodation."
Author:  Vin_Mer [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:05 pm ]
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I'm sorry but no student in a public school should be allowed to carry the Kirpan regardless of religion! Teenagers are just that, teenagers! They should not be allowed to carry a weapon in school, it is not safe! What if one student wants to show it off to his friends etc, an accident can happen... Unfortunately not all teenagers are not mature enough to carry a Kirpan with them... and therefore they should not be allowed!
Author:  alex7543 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:16 pm ]
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I don't understand, how come that their view of having a weapon (religious or not) is more important than my view of being in a place where i can feel safe knowing there is no weapon.
So if i say i have to carry a gun for regligious reason would it be ok?
Author:  rock_80 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:25 pm ]
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I think Quebec is trying much harder than the rest of canada to strike a balance between religious rights/human rights/ and safety.

Anywhere you're prohibited from carrying a weapon as defined by their security policy (gov building, school, airplane, pub etc.) tough you should have to live with their policy or not take part. I feel the same for health and safety. In reality its not quite that simple, its a tough balance to maintain religious freedom when it goes against other liberties.

For me the hierarchy goes
Human Rights
Security/Safety Rights
Religious Rights
Author:  MJD03 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:20 pm ]
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rock_80 wrote:
I think Quebec is trying much harder than the rest of canada to strike a balance between religious rights/human rights/ and safety.

Anywhere you're prohibited from carrying a weapon as defined by their security policy (gov building, school, airplane, pub etc.) tough you should have to live with their policy or not take part. I feel the same for health and safety. In reality its not quite that simple, its a tough balance to maintain religious freedom when it goes against other liberties.

For me the hierarchy goes
Human Rights
Security/Safety Rights
Religious Rights


Agreed. I think the rest of Canada should start following suit...
Author:  MJD03 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:45 pm ]
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Nieuwendyk1989 wrote:
I actually agree with a Quebec initiative here, interesting. It's an absolute no brainer, if it can be used as a weapon it shouldn't be allowed. Forget what it's intention is but realize that it could be used to harm, therefore no entry b***h!!! Sorry, safety first, I mean isn't that what we teach our children on the onset? Commen sense eludes this country.


I think the same thing about France and the steps they've taken over there...
All this "religious tolerance" stuff is bullshit. I mean if I walked around with my face covered carrying a knife I'd be arrested!
Author:  MJD03 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:57 pm ]
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Nieuwendyk1989 wrote:
MJD03 wrote:
Nieuwendyk1989 wrote:
I actually agree with a Quebec initiative here, interesting. It's an absolute no brainer, if it can be used as a weapon it shouldn't be allowed. Forget what it's intention is but realize that it could be used to harm, therefore no entry b***h!!! Sorry, safety first, I mean isn't that what we teach our children on the onset? Commen sense eludes this country.


I think the same thing about France and the steps they've taken over there...
All this "religious tolerance" stuff is bullshit. I mean if I walked around with my face covered carrying a knife I'd be arrested!


We would yes, ;) and I'm ashamed I spelled common "commen", sure discredits me LOL


At least you caught your own mistake..lol
And I didn't really notice enough to point it out for ya...you're lucky, because I wouldn't let you live it down!
Author:  stilldeciding [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:21 pm ]
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alex7543 wrote:
I don't understand, how come that their view of having a weapon (religious or not) is more important than my view of being in a place where i can feel safe knowing there is no weapon.
So if i say i have to carry a gun for regligious reason would it be ok?


Sounds like common sense doesn't it? :roll:
Author:  alex7543 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:54 pm ]
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stilldeciding wrote:
alex7543 wrote:
I don't understand, how come that their view of having a weapon (religious or not) is more important than my view of being in a place where i can feel safe knowing there is no weapon.
So if i say i have to carry a gun for regligious reason would it be ok?


Sounds like common sense doesn't it? :roll:


Doesn't seem like any other governement in Canada thinks it is common sense other than Quebec or they just don't have the guts to stand up.
Author:  shawnrk1 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:21 am ]
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The joke of all this is it is a ceremonial weapon
As it never is supposed to be used, they could easily substitute a false one and still maintain religion (like how Christians eat bread and wine instead of body and blood these days)
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