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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:38 pm 
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How does our government portray themselves as an active agent to arrest war criminals in Canada and then passively allow one war criminal to enter into our country to speak to Canadians? What are you doing about this, as a Canadian? My guess is nothing...

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http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/06/feds-called-on-to-detain-and-investigate-bush-for-war-crimes


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-cancels-swiss-trip-rights-activists-vow/t/story?id=12857195


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As much as I'm not a fan of Bush, you can't call him a war criminal. He has neither been accused, tried or convicted of any crimes by any courts.


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And if you're trying to convince people that they should be up in arms about it, the article you linked to isn't going to do much good. As they point out, Amnesty International (the organization pushing for this) sure seems to have their own agenda... they want Bush secured before an investigation even takes place... but Canada should be doing more to defend convicted Omar Khadr.

It's simple, there is a world court and a universal declaration of human rights that it enforces. If there seriously is enough there for him to be convicted, then let those who want it done bring it up there and get the conviction and he'll be kept out, until then, tell the people who want to use us to further their own political agenda to go follow established procedures and leave us alone.


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newermiltonian wrote:
As much as I'm not a fan of Bush, you can't call him a war criminal. He has neither been accused, tried or convicted of any crimes by any courts.


...because he is an American President. Are there any countries that are bold enough to detain and try him for war crimes committed in the USA or abroad? Water boarding, Gitmo & Abu Ghraib...come on...really? He knew about all of these and nobody says a word. I don't care how bad the other side is in times of war, it does not justify illegal & unjustified acts of torture and executions. We all know it happened...let Canada arrest him and give him a fair trial when he gets here later this month. Commander in Chief!

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Steve Heath wrote:
And if you're trying to convince people that they should be up in arms about it, the article you linked to isn't going to do much good. As they point out, Amnesty International (the organization pushing for this) sure seems to have their own agenda... they want Bush secured before an investigation even takes place... but Canada should be doing more to defend convicted Omar Khadr.

It's simple, there is a world court and a universal declaration of human rights that it enforces. If there seriously is enough there for him to be convicted, then let those who want it done bring it up there and get the conviction and he'll be kept out, until then, tell the people who want to use us to further their own political agenda to go follow established procedures and leave us alone.


I know...I picked that article to let people decide for themselves. I did read the entire article and they certainly leave it up to the reader to make a decision. As for the world court, they are just as effective as the United Nations (actually an extension of the UN) which has done little to nothing to "bomb everyone after the fact" to make it look like we are actually doing something , when they have done nothing historically, and let millions die, again and again. It is actually the people who are standing up to corrupt rulers and making their voices heard...kind of like what Canadians should be doing in this situation.

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Very stupid article as the US was not "at war" with the people they allegedly were torturing


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marathonman wrote:

...because he is an American President. Are there any countries that are bold enough to detain and try him for war crimes committed in the USA or abroad? Water boarding, Gitmo & Abu Ghraib...come on...really? He knew about all of these and nobody says a word. I don't care how bad the other side is in times of war, it does not justify illegal & unjustified acts of torture and executions. We all know it happened...let Canada arrest him and give him a fair trial when he gets here later this month. Commander in Chief!


Make a citizen's arrest. Show your disgust.

By the way, how do "we all know it happened"? Has that been proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:30 am 
What a stupid topic. As if Bush will ever get arrested anywhere. While his reasons for invading Iraq are questionable, the Saddam guy had to go anyways.

Think about Saddam. Here is a guy who would lower you into a meat grinder if he did not like you.


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Regardless of whether he is or isn't a war criminal, arresting him would be the stupidest thing this country has ever done. Arresting the former president of your closest ally and biggest trading partner? Get real.


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marathonman wrote:
...because he is an American President. Are there any countries that are bold enough to detain and try him for war crimes committed in the USA or abroad? Water boarding, Gitmo & Abu Ghraib...come on...really? He knew about all of these and nobody says a word.


None of those are war crimes. Those are isolated incidents, and arguably crimes, but not war crimes. What a bunch of pansies we have become to even think those could qualify. In the good old days you had to systematically kill at least a few hundred thousand civilians to earn that badge.

Anyone who actually believes Bush is a war criminal is an idiot. Sorry, but you just can’t argue it.


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Canada's failure to arrest former U.S. president George W. Bush during a visit to B.C. is cited by Amnesty International in its annual report on human rights atrocities around the globe.

The report also takes issue with Canada's treatment of aboriginal people, refugees and terrorism suspects and its refusal to hold a public inquiry into the arrests of more than 1,000 protesters during the 2010 G20 summit in Toronto.

Canada's record of alleged human rights violations pales in comparison to the litany of torture, mass executions, and violent suppression of protests cited against countries like Syria and Uganda.

But Amnesty Canada spokesperson John Tackaberry says the organization makes no attempt to rate the magnitude or seriousness of human rights abuses among the 155 nations listed in the 2012 report.

Rather, it includes any country in which there's a "constellation" of violations that cause concern.

In Canada's case, Tackaberry says Amnesty has "serious concerns" that the country is failing "in a number of cases" to meet its international obligations to protect human rights.

Among the cases mentioned is Canada's failure last fall to arrest Bush when he visited British Columbia, "despite clear evidence that he was responsible for crimes under international law, including torture." Amnesty had campaigned for Canada to arrest and prosecute the former president.

The demand for Bush's arrest "was certainly not a frivolous action on our part," Tackaberry said in an interview Wednesday.

"We knew that there was little likelihood of this actually taking place but the important principle is that George (W) Bush has been implicated in serious human rights violations and Canada has a responsibility to ensure that people within their jurisdiction who are alleged to have been involved in serious human rights violations ... that they be brought to justice.

"It's imperative that when there are serious human rights violations that individuals be held to account," he added.

At the time of Bush's visit last October, Amnesty maintained the former president authorized the use of torture against detainees at the Guantanamo Bay naval base, in Afghanistan and Iraq as the U.S. pursued its war on terror following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. It cited the use of waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation techniques" and cruel, degrading treatment, such as forcing detainees to remain in painful position, without sleep, for hours.

As a signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture, Tackaberry said Canada has an obligation to take action against alleged violators, including Bush.

The report, which documents alleged violations during 2011, also chides Canada for its treatment of aboriginal people on a number of fronts, including its failure to adopt a national action plan to address high levels of violence facing native women. It notes that a federal audit last summer found a majority of drinking water and waste water systems in First Nations communities constitute a health risk.

It further criticizes Canada for refusing to apologize or compensate three men who were detained and tortured abroad because Canadian authorities falsely linked them to terrorist activities.

And it says a proposed crackdown on refugee claimants who arrive en masse, employing the services of human smugglers, violate "international norms" for the treatment of asylum seekers.

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For the record is there any country in the world that Amnesty International approves of?

http://amnesty.org/en/annual-report/2012/country-data

Nope... what a joke...


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Anyone who actually believes Bush is not a war criminal and a POS is a f*cken idiot.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:56 am 
Could be a lot worse...take a look at what they are doing with Khadr! Going to not only let a convicted terrorist walk around in Canada but now there is talk of compensating him!! You have to be f****** kidding me!!?? What a joke!!


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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:32 am 
I have no patience for fools who think Bush is a war criminal. IMO, that is the stupidest thing a person could think about the man.

Just google "Saddam gases Kurds and his own people images" and you will see how that bastard had to die.

This also proves that the idiot Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction.

Grow up my leftist friends. You are out to lunch.


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