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Sandeep
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Sounds like some members of council are only interested in making excuses. If they were so against giving themselves a raise, they would have called the town staff and rejected their raises the length of their own terms. That goes for Rick M. as well. By his logic, to save council money, he should give himself a 1,000,000 raise just so the town doesn't "blow the money away". For a small town, there sure is a lot of politics going on. Actions speak louder than words. If you want a raise, don't beat around the bush and blame the system for "forcing it on you". You have the power to reject it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:23 pm 
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garlis wrote:
"Done Deal" is not an excuse.

It may take a new Notice of Motion. It may take a 2/3 majotity to reverse a decision. It may have to be raised as New Business at the Council meeting. The Clerk can provide those answers.

Bottom line - Council can do pretty much whatever it wants to do. They are in charge. The question is whether there is enough common sense and integrity around the table to reverse this bad decision


They don't have to discuss anything at the next meeting. All it takes is a 2-second email to the town payroll people. That's it.
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Brian Hawley
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garlis wrote:
There seems to be a consensus by councillors and civilians on this board that;
- Council salary should be set by an arms-length citizen committee.
- Recommendations should be made once per term
- The size of the recommended increase to $32k is not an issue
- Current councillors should not benefit from a vote on their own salaries.

If that is true, why on earth did 8 of 10 councillors raise their hands for a salary increase retroactive to January 2012? Confusion? Greed? If they didn’t like Mike Cluett’s amendment, why didn’t they propose others?

Council meets again on July 16. Fix it!

If council is not capable of dealing with this relatively simple issue, how can we trust it to deal with budgets, velodrome, transit, etc. ?

although i was on board with this idea to begin with, the committee has shown in no uncertain terms that council should be the ones to decide on increases, whether they take effect this term or not. the committee just threw away thousands of taxpayer dollars that was neither necessary, nor in fact even being asked for. Council would NEVER have suggested a pay raise to that level, knowing full well the public would roast them. i hear what some councillors are saying regarding the morality of the issue, but truth is this is exactly what we elect them to do- make responsable decisions with taxpayer money...

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cactus_jack wrote:
garlis wrote:
"Done Deal" is not an excuse.

It may take a new Notice of Motion. It may take a 2/3 majotity to reverse a decision. It may have to be raised as New Business at the Council meeting. The Clerk can provide those answers.

Bottom line - Council can do pretty much whatever it wants to do. They are in charge. The question is whether there is enough common sense and integrity around the table to reverse this bad decision


They don't have to discuss anything at the next meeting. All it takes is a 2-second email to the town payroll people. That's it.


The only problem with that is you have to take their word for it.
At least a council resolution to reverse it would be transparent and traceable.

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freemantrailfamily wrote:
cactus_jack wrote:
garlis wrote:
"Done Deal" is not an excuse.

It may take a new Notice of Motion. It may take a 2/3 majotity to reverse a decision. It may have to be raised as New Business at the Council meeting. The Clerk can provide those answers.

Bottom line - Council can do pretty much whatever it wants to do. They are in charge. The question is whether there is enough common sense and integrity around the table to reverse this bad decision


They don't have to discuss anything at the next meeting. All it takes is a 2-second email to the town payroll people. That's it.


The only problem with that is you have to take their word for it.
At least a council resolution to reverse it would be transparent and traceable.


No you don't. A breakdown of salary paid to all council staff is available annually at least. Mike already posted it somewhere.
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freemantrailfamily
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cactus_jack wrote:
No you don't. A breakdown of salary paid to all council staff is available annually at least. Mike already posted it somewhere.


Good point. I personally prefer them to go on-camera (video recorded council meeting), and have it recorded in meeting minutes. Then I'm not waiting for somebody to publish the annual report and find out after the fact and rely on the person doing the reporting to get the facts right (like not leaving out Regional salaries - dare you to find a report with 2012 regional salary breakdowns).

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Rick Di Lorenzo
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freemantrailfamily wrote:
(like not leaving out Regional salaries - dare you to find a report with 2012 regional salary breakdowns).
That took about 5 minutes to find.

The regional salary break down report as was released on March 21, 2012 (they come out once a year).

http://sirepub.halton.ca/councildocs/pm ... 145642.pdf

...Google is my friend ;-)
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I bow to the google master!
I couldn't find that for the life of me through the halton region website links! Thanks :-)

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Mike_Cluett
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From my knowledge of proceedures, it would take someone who voted in favour of the motion to bring it back up again. Its called a motion to reconsider.

Unfortunately both myself and Rick M voted against it, leaving it up to one of the other eight to bring forward the motion to reconsider.

garlis wrote:
"Done Deal" is not an excuse.

It may take a new Notice of Motion. It may take a 2/3 majotity to reverse a decision. It may have to be raised as New Business at the Council meeting. The Clerk can provide those answers.

Bottom line - Council can do pretty much whatever it wants to do. They are in charge. The question is whether there is enough common sense and integrity around the table to reverse this bad decision

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garlis
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:26 pm 
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Mike_Cluett wrote:
From my knowledge of proceedures, it would take someone who voted in favour of the motion to bring it back up again. Its called a motion to reconsider.

Unfortunately both myself and Rick M voted against it, leaving it up to one of the other eight to bring forward the motion to reconsider.

garlis wrote:
"Done Deal" is not an excuse.

It may take a new Notice of Motion. It may take a 2/3 majotity to reverse a decision. It may have to be raised as New Business at the Council meeting. The Clerk can provide those answers.

Bottom line - Council can do pretty much whatever it wants to do. They are in charge. The question is whether there is enough common sense and integrity around the table to reverse this bad decision

The Motion to Reconsider is one option. I believe that needs a 2/3 majority. For it to have any chance of success, several councillors would have to reverse their position. If they have, surely one of them would have the nerve to make the motion.

Another option is for any councillor to make a new motion such as "Resolved that the mayor and councillors will decline any scheduled salary increases during the current term."

I suggest that you and/or Rick M speak to the Clerk. Tell him what you would like to do and ask what options are available. It would be nice to give the other side a second chance before this issue becomes part of rheir legacy on council.
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csb101
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Well one thing we can all do for sure if we don't like this is to get out and vote. I don't have faith that these guys will do what the majority of the people want so I'm going to have my say when I vote in the next municipal election. I know it won't take away the pay raise but it's the principal of it. It speaks to character and promises broken by some.
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Steve & Kelly
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Let's get this mistake fixed at the next council meeting. I will be going to see what happens.

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