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Who are you voting for?
Liberals 36%  36%  [ 30 ]
Conservatives 57%  57%  [ 48 ]
NDP 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Other 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 84
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:11 am 
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There’s something to be said about the demographic shift in Milton and new immigrants voting for a candidate solely because they are of the same race, but I think those people are a minority even among immigrants. It’s abhorrent, and perhaps it was enough to tip the balance in Halton, but overall, they lost because people rejected the platform. I know plenty of Conservative immigrants. Race is a factor, not a decider.


I believe that this same factor may have played a role in keeping Ted elected in the past. If you look at past election results, you will notice that Ted's margin of victory used to be greater when he ran against a candidate who is of a visible minority. For example, if you compare the 2007 and 2011 results, you will notice that in 2007, when he ran against a person of Caucasian decent, his margin was smaller as compared to 2011, when he ran against Indira with a greater margin of victory. Also if you compare the 1999 and 2003 election results, in 1999, he ran against a Liberal candidate who was a person of colour and Ted held onto a 65% margin of victory, which was sharply contrasted in 2003, when he ran against a Caucasian Liberal candidate, he received a 48% margin of victory. Now I understand that there were probably other factors involved, such as platform, candidate visibility and party leaders, however the race factor may have been enough to ensure more decisive victories for Ted and a more motivated base in such campaigns. I agree that unfortunately race was probably a factor this time around, I would like to emphasize that race has always been a factor on both sides.


It could also have something to do with Milton's changing demographics as we constantly have a higher population each election. And the voters may not be going by race just because the candidate is the same race as them (although I don't doubt some people probably do vote that way) but it could also have something to do with recent immigrants being more likely to vote Liberal because they believe that platform is less anti-immigrant, more likely to have programs that promote diversity and more likely to support the lower class and the working class, which is an income bracket that recent immigrants often fall into.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:56 am 
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Demographics plays a part of it yes. But Indira worked hard for this one; I saw her at a lot of events that Ted wasn't at, and she worked the room at every single one of them talking to people. There's something to be said for being able to put a name to a face.

A lot's riding on the next four years for the Liberals; some economists have said they'll have to make cuts to make ends meet. And then there's the pension plan which I'm not a fan of- it seems more like a cash grab. The PC's and their leadership woes- to be honest I don't want Lisa as their leader, I think she's been a good MP and I don't want to lose the chance to vote for her again either as MP, or MPP. I've chatted to PC sources locally, and they have no idea who is trying to draft her. My money's on Elliott; she's a good speaker, and comes across as fairly moderate.

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Demographics plays a part of it yes. But Indira worked hard for this one; I saw her at a lot of events that Ted wasn't at, and she worked the room at every single one of them talking to people. There's something to be said for being able to put a name to a face.

A lot's riding on the next four years for the Liberals; some economists have said they'll have to make cuts to make ends meet. And then there's the pension plan which I'm not a fan of- it seems more like a cash grab. The PC's and their leadership woes- to be honest I don't want Lisa as their leader, I think she's been a good MP and I don't want to lose the chance to vote for her again either as MP, or MPP. I've chatted to PC sources locally, and they have no idea who is trying to draft her. My money's on Elliott; she's a good speaker, and comes across as fairly moderate.


I wish policies could be seen as more important than visibility, advertising and being likeable. It's really saddening that that is what some voters care about.


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....but it could also have something to do with recent immigrants being more likely to vote Liberal because they believe that platform is ... more likely to support the lower class and the working class, which is an income bracket that recent immigrants often fall into.


? Since my single income family came here in 2003, we are getting fu--ed by "liberals" deeper and deeper.
Recent hydro cost hike for no reason than criminal and stupidity acts is typical ontario "liberal".
Maydan Square time is long time due to here!


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....but it could also have something to do with recent immigrants being more likely to vote Liberal because they believe that platform is ... more likely to support the lower class and the working class, which is an income bracket that recent immigrants often fall into.


? Since my single income family came here in 2003, we are getting fu--ed by "liberals" deeper and deeper.
Recent hydro cost hike for no reason than criminal and stupidity acts is typical ontario "liberal".
Maydan Square time is long time due to here!


And you think the Conservatives will do better? Their philosophy is to cut everything and draw in voters with lower taxes.


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The constant rip off my family is facing comes directly and only from Ontario "liberals".
Also "liberals" wants to sell a lot now. So much for their promises to keep jobs.


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The constant rip off my family is facing comes directly and only from Ontario "liberals".
Also "liberals" wants to sell a lot now. So much for their promises to keep jobs.


Not sure how you could be certain that it is only liberals… Liberals are the only provincial government right now so conveniently we don't know how they would deal with this issue. But if their philosophy is cutting everything I don't see how that would help you.


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How?
We have extra gas tax here, while they don't have it in Alberta, for example.
We have higher hydro prices because it is run down by provincial "Liberals".
We have Ontario green taxes. We have more and more free OHIP services delisted under provincial "liberals" regime.
We are going to have pension tax which is going to be mis-spended exactly same way as gas and other taxes.

We are getting less services, but more bureaucrats in numbers and Ontario "liberals" friends,relatives getting rich from taxes we have to pay.
It makes more reason to cut now, instead of mismanagement and overspending of almost everything provincial "liberals" have touched.

Wake up :evil:


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kf095 wrote:
How?
We have extra gas tax here, while they don't have it in Alberta, for example.
We have higher hydro prices because it is run down by provincial "Liberals".
We have Ontario green taxes. We have more and more free OHIP services delisted under provincial "liberals" regime.
We are going to have pension tax which is going to be mis-spended exactly same way as gas and other taxes.

We are getting less services, but more bureaucrats in numbers and Ontario "liberals" friends,relatives getting rich from taxes we have to pay.
It makes more reason to cut now, instead of mismanagement and overspending of almost everything provincial "liberals" have touched.

Wake up :evil:


I just woke up now. I suddenly see the PC light! Hehe just kidding.

Are you sure you're talking about the Liberals or some organization pretending to be the Liberals that you label as the "Liberals"?

As for Alberta, I think that has more to do with the fact that most of Canada's oil is produced there so the gas that Albertans buy probably isn't shipped from as far away.

Honestly in terms of our environment, I think the green tax is necessary and does more harm than good.

The other stuff is probably true. I never said the Liberals were perfect. I much prefer the NDP and Green Party, but I have to vote Liberal in order to vote out the Conservatives.


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I can't call this criminal gang as party of Liberals without quotes.
Conservatives, Greens are way more liberal. True Liberals aren't soviet style destructive socialists and careless bureaucrats as Ontario "Liberals" are.
Thanks to be honest about explanation of your choice. I have sympathy for libertarians as only true Liberals.


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kf095 wrote:
I can't call this criminal gang as party of Liberals without quotes.
Conservatives, Greens are way more liberal. True Liberals aren't soviet style destructive socialists and careless bureaucrats as Ontario "Liberals" are.
Thanks to be honest about explanation of your choice. I have sympathy for libertarians as only true Liberals.

The election is over. Get over it. Get used to it. You can start over with your rants in 4 years.


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Foreveryoung wrote:
kf095 wrote:
I can't call this criminal gang as party of Liberals without quotes.
Conservatives, Greens are way more liberal. True Liberals aren't soviet style destructive socialists and careless bureaucrats as Ontario "Liberals" are.
Thanks to be honest about explanation of your choice. I have sympathy for libertarians as only true Liberals.

The election is over. Get over it. Get used to it. You can start over with your rants in 4 years.


Yeah, pretty much. I feel awkward talking about the provincial election at this point especially with someone who says the Liberals aren't really Liberals but the Conservatives are, which makes so much sense. However, the federal and municipal elections aren't too far away.


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What a blast from the past this thread is!

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Indeed. Anyone voting liberal, publish your address so my dog can sh*t on your lawn.


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Indeed. Anyone voting liberal, publish your address so my dog can sh*t on your lawn.


1124 Trudeau. I dare you.

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