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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:58 pm 
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I've noticed a number of posts in recent months with a range of complaints regarding traffic violations and other safety issues, as well as hearing from residents on these types of issues in general, so I was happy to hear that this program is now up and running. Let's help put a stop to dangerous and / or aggressive driving in our Town.

The Halton Regional Police have now made it easier to report traffic violations / complaints online via the ROAD WATCH© program. This online program allows residents to safely respond to the following types of violations without putting themselves in harms way by confronting the driver.

- Stop sign or red light violations
- Following too closely
- Aggressive driving
- Unsafe passing
- Driving in middle of roadway
- Excessive speed
- Careless / Dangerous driving
- School bus violations
- Distracted driver (failure to use hands-free device)
- Fail to yield to pedestrian
- Community safety zone violations

ROAD WATCH© is a community driven program encouraging anonymous reporting of incidents involving dangerous and/or aggressive driving, * NOT motor vehicle collisions. A dangerous or aggressive driver should never be approached or confronted by a citizen. Citizens are encouraged to document specific details of ROAD WATCH incidents using the ROAD WATCH ONLINE report. These reports will be viewed by a police officer and if deemed appropriate, a letter may be sent to the registered vehicle owner encouraging all who drive their vehicle to do so in a safe and responsible manner.

Complainants always remain anonymous unless they choose to submit a detailed police report which could result with charges being laid. Such a report may also require the complainant to attend court. Incomplete reports submitted will NOT be acted upon by the Halton Regional Police Service. A vehicle licence plate number MUST be included in a ROAD WATCH report.

http://www.haltonpolice.ca/PRC/Pages/ROADWATCH.aspx

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:48 pm 
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So we are expected to speak up and the police may send a letter to the car owner.

The police are expected to act on hear-say? Some will expect a swat team sent to the owners house if they rolled through a stop sign.

Getting a license number when you see something occur may be classed as "distracted driving".

I don't see any "pros" here only a ton of "cons".

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Why is the Halton police so concerned about traffic safety? Are there not other issues they should be focusing on? This literally makes no sense, our police force has too much time on their hands to go around setting up speed traps etc. Maybe its time for a reduction in the number of uniformed officers. Lets have them focus on the real crimes:
1) Human trafficking, i see a rise in the escort activity within the Halton region that is also tied to drugs. Simply do a search on backpages will provide you clear leads. Anyone have this issue in their radar?
2) Drug trafficking: The amount of drugs going in and out of Halton is a definate concern. Most of it is underground and rarely does the average joe know about what is going on in their own neighbourhood.
3) Roberries: talk to the truck drivers who report missing merchandise from their fleet and nothing gets done.
4) Abuse: find out the number of children members of abusive families.

I am not an officer i came up with a general list of what needs to be done. This whole effort to charge traffic violaters and treat them as criminals is utter nonsense.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:21 pm 
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It's pretty quiet here in Milton. The cops need something to keep them busy.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:30 pm 
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xeqta wrote:
Why is the Halton police so concerned about traffic safety? Are there not other issues they should be focusing on? This literally makes no sense, our police force has too much time on their hands to go around setting up speed traps etc. Maybe its time for a reduction in the number of uniformed officers. Lets have them focus on the real crimes:
1) Human trafficking, i see a rise in the escort activity within the Halton region that is also tied to drugs. Simply do a search on backpages will provide you clear leads. Anyone have this issue in their radar?
2) Drug trafficking: The amount of drugs going in and out of Halton is a definate concern. Most of it is underground and rarely does the average joe know about what is going on in their own neighbourhood.
3) Roberries: talk to the truck drivers who report missing merchandise from their fleet and nothing gets done.
4) Abuse: find out the number of children members of abusive families.

I am not an officer i came up with a general list of what needs to be done. This whole effort to charge traffic violaters and treat them as criminals is utter nonsense.


Well I think what you have to realize is that whatever the police choose to focus on, there'll be someone out there saying it's the wrong thing. Before your post there was someone saying that instead of red light cameras, the region should look at dangerous driving behaviour generally. For all the times people complain that different initiatives are tax grabs - well this one doesn't generate revenue.

Your views on what police should focus on are interesting. But really, who are you even?!? At least one of the guys running this town we live in seems to think this is a good idea, anyway.


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I'm calling in ALL the corolla plates I see tomorrow woooohooo!
So long suckers!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:55 pm 
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Lets stay on topic. Do you really think dangerous driving is an issue within Milton or Halton? Is it big enough to have civilians involved in reporting others? From a process and data accuracy perspective how are they even validating data quality with all the submissions?
I have a problem with these type of ideas because I know how much tax dollars are being spent on inefficient initiatives such as this.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:29 am 
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What a waste of tax paying dollars.
If someone had a real concern about a driver they'd call it in.
At least this gives the soccer moms something to do during the day.


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jpward6 wrote:

Complainants always remain anonymous unless they choose to submit a detailed police report which could result with charges being laid. Such a report may also require the complainant to attend court.


And that's a problem. I went to traffic court to fight a ticket in May because the ticket was IMO unjustified. My appointment was for 9AM yet I did not get a chance to stand in front of the crusty old fart of a judge until 11.30 when he told me he had to leave at noon and could not hear my case that day. When I expressed my disappointment the crusty judge got mad. As a result, I wasted half a day, did not get my case heard, and in the end paid the fine because it was not worth going through that silly time wasting fiasco again.

I guess I will not "submit a detailed police report" any time soon.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:22 am 
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Backyard hero wrote:
I'm calling in ALL the corolla plates I see tomorrow woooohooo!
So long suckers!


HAHAHA. Speaking of which, riding home 2 days ago, stuck in traffic on my bike (motorcycle) on derry. a guy in a corolla decided to pull up right beside me like i wasn't even there. he thought there was nothing wrong with that. i should have just filtered through all the traffic.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:29 am 
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I have seen 'excessive speed' type violations quite a few times on the three-lane section of Tremaine Road, with the newly minted speed limit of 60 (used to be 80 when it was 2 lanes). Somehow I don't give a crap.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:13 am 
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My mostly silly, but somewhat serious comments below:

- Stop sign or red light violations (How about setting up cops to watch for this instead of speed traps in artificially lowered speed limit zones)
- Following too closely (Subjective)
- Aggressive driving (Subjective)
- Unsafe passing (Mostly subjective)
- Driving in middle of roadway (Is this a thing?)
- Excessive speed (Subjective)
- Careless / Dangerous driving (Mostly subjective unless there is an actual incident where a cop would be required anyway)
- School bus violations (God yes, and crosswalks too!)
- Distracted driver (failure to use hands-free device) (How is one to report on these things without being distracted?)
- Fail to yield to pedestrian (Where? Can pedestrians just cross the road anywhere and I have to yield to them? I mean I do, because I'm not a maniac, but I've seen some pretty ignorant pedestrians around Milton)
- Community safety zone violations (How do you violate a safety zone?)

More seriously though, I do wish I saw traffic cops pulling cars over for more than the cash grab speeding tickets. Some of these should be their (Police) responsibility to monitor/ticket, not "safe the children" mentality citizens.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:31 am 
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It is a pointless excercise. Most HTA offences for a charge need an accused "to be found committing". Meaning, if he officer does not have personal knowledge of the offence, the like hood of a charge is low.

At most, they could send a letter to the registered owner, but thats about it. In the case of criminal dangerous operation, the officer could take a statement from the witness etc. and lay a charge, but the conviction would be very unlikely as a layperson probably could not formulate or articulate in a statement all the criteria needed for a successful prosecution.

Road watch is a paper tiger.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:44 am 
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Kevin&Amanda wrote:
- Fail to yield to pedestrian (Where? Can pedestrians just cross the road anywhere and I have to yield to them? I mean I do, because I'm not a maniac, but I've seen some pretty ignorant pedestrians around Milton)
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I have seen next to none ignorant pedestrians here. But morons driving cars are in huge numbers.
People already stepping on the designated crosswalk, but these idiots keep on driving right into pedestrian.
Nobody stops for kids waiting to cross to get at school, bus stop in Milton anymore.

Agree on police acting to keep traffic in order, not city coffers with money.

I would also add to the list those who are parking in front of the stores at no staying zones with empty parking lots in five meters or so.
They have to be nailed. Preferably in the head. Three inches nail will solve the problem.


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No government would ever allow money to be spent on something solely because it’s good optics.

I’m certain that this program will be monitored for effectiveness, and if it is shown to have had no impact on the rates of reportable offences, to be scraped in the interest of redirecting tax dollars to programs that actually have a measurable impact.


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