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 Post subject: Re: How we can stop ISIS
PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:29 pm 
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Iraq was stable and moving forward until the US pulled out their troops before they were ready. If they would have kept them there, ISIS wouldn’t exist as it does today.

The Russians did a pretty effective job at whipping out extremists in Chechnya. They succeed at these things because they understand that war is a ruthless sport that requires you to follow through to the end. Over here, we think it should be done with compassion and wrap up in under six months.


ISIS formed in 1999
Joined Al-Qaeda 2004
Claimed territory in Syria in 2013
Quit Al-Qaeda in 2014
THEN claimed territory in Iraq

US troops in Iraq 2003
US left Iraq in 2011

Besides the laughable idea that Iraq was ever stable why would you imagine ISIS not existing even if US stayed another decade in Iraq? They have been at war in numerous countries for quite some time, and noone else seems able to stop them; the Russians have in no way been able to contain the Caucasus Emirate in Chechnya and Dagestan yet.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:44 am 
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you can't get rid of groups like this until Big Brother and friends fundamentally change. Good luck.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:33 pm 
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You will never stop ISIS just like we have never stopped KKK. But you can control the amount of people who choose to join groups like this by Education. History repeats itself it's not that complicated. Hitler did not succeed in wiping out the Jewish people, just as the world will not succeed in wiping out ISIS. ISIS will always be here, just as the KKK still is alive in deep pockets of our nation. In time we just will never really hear about them, and they will fade into small groups with zero power.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:24 pm 
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You will never stop ISIS just like we have never stopped KKK. But you can control the amount of people who choose to join groups like this by Education. History repeats itself it's not that complicated. Hitler did not succeed in wiping out the Jewish people, just as the world will not succeed in wiping out ISIS. ISIS will always be here, just as the KKK still is alive in deep pockets of our nation. In time we just will never really hear about them, and they will fade into small groups with zero power.


You're not seriously comparing Hitler's murdering of Jews to that of killing a member of ISIS are you? Seriously?!?!?


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VCola wrote:
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You will never stop ISIS just like we have never stopped KKK. But you can control the amount of people who choose to join groups like this by Education. History repeats itself it's not that complicated. Hitler did not succeed in wiping out the Jewish people, just as the world will not succeed in wiping out ISIS. ISIS will always be here, just as the KKK still is alive in deep pockets of our nation. In time we just will never really hear about them, and they will fade into small groups with zero power.


You're not seriously comparing Hitler's murdering of Jews to that of killing a member of ISIS are you? Seriously?!?!?


Out of this statement all you took out of it was this? No I am not comparing ISIS to Jewish people. I am comparing people mindset or race as people, they can not wipe them out. They can Bomb the area all they want, and they will kill innocent men, women and children who are not ISIS. They will create hatred and yes they will also kill some ISIS. But ISIS will still live, they may even live in the house beside you. Education is what will stop ISIS not killing


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:16 am 
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justagirl wrote:
Education is what will stop ISIS not killing


Most of these groups ban education
Boko Haram, an ISIS ally, uses this ideology as their name

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:19 am 
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justagirl wrote:
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Hitler did not succeed in wiping out the Jewish people, just as the world will not succeed in wiping out ISIS.


You're not seriously comparing Hitler's murdering of Jews to that of killing a member of ISIS are you? Seriously?!?!?


Out of this statement all you took out of it was this?


Yep, that's all I took out of ot because that's what you wrote. I intentionally copied your entire statement to ensure I wasn't accused of misquoting you.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:32 am 
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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
bremer wrote:
Iraq was stable and moving forward until the US pulled out their troops before they were ready. If they would have kept them there, ISIS wouldn’t exist as it does today.

The Russians did a pretty effective job at whipping out extremists in Chechnya. They succeed at these things because they understand that war is a ruthless sport that requires you to follow through to the end. Over here, we think it should be done with compassion and wrap up in under six months.


ISIS formed in 1999
Joined Al-Qaeda 2004
Claimed territory in Syria in 2013
Quit Al-Qaeda in 2014
THEN claimed territory in Iraq

US troops in Iraq 2003
US left Iraq in 2011

Besides the laughable idea that Iraq was ever stable why would you imagine ISIS not existing even if US stayed another decade in Iraq? They have been at war in numerous countries for quite some time, and noone else seems able to stop them; the Russians have in no way been able to contain the Caucasus Emirate in Chechnya and Dagestan yet.


I sais ISIS wouldn’t exist as they do today. They would have never branched out of Syria and would be a minor rebel faction you had never heard of if the US had maintained troops in Iraq.

I don’t get how saying Iraq was stable is laughable. The surge worked, and it was stable when the US left. It wasn’t a utopia, but it was a governable country undergoing the process of rebuilding.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:47 pm 
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justagirl wrote:
VCola wrote:
justagirl wrote:
You will never stop ISIS just like we have never stopped KKK. But you can control the amount of people who choose to join groups like this by Education. History repeats itself it's not that complicated. Hitler did not succeed in wiping out the Jewish people, just as the world will not succeed in wiping out ISIS. ISIS will always be here, just as the KKK still is alive in deep pockets of our nation. In time we just will never really hear about them, and they will fade into small groups with zero power.


You're not seriously comparing Hitler's murdering of Jews to that of killing a member of ISIS are you? Seriously?!?!?


Out of this statement all you took out of it was this? No I am not comparing ISIS to Jewish people. I am comparing people mindset or race as people, they can not wipe them out. They can Bomb the area all they want, and they will kill innocent men, women and children who are not ISIS. They will create hatred and yes they will also kill some ISIS. But ISIS will still live, they may even live in the house beside you. Education is what will stop ISIS not killing


Indonesia / East Timor or China / Formosa are both very modern examples of one group totally eradicating another militarily
Vietnam seems hellbent on purging their minority groups as we speak, only time will show if they can be successful or fail like Khmer Rouge did


KKK actually has grown in recent times due to economic hardships in the US plus the fact most are now educated enough to realize they can preach under protection of free speech. (1920s had highest membership of course as that was the depression).

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 Post subject: Re: How we can stop ISIS
PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:33 pm 
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lxor wrote:
Defeat cultural relativism, some cultures are better than others.
Stop vilifying our own culture and start appreciating its achievements.
Start criticizing other cultures that deserve criticism, emphasizing our superior ideas and beliefs.
There is a reason most of the world would like to emigrate to the West.
All that should restore our will to fight.

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Our neighbors to the south should not elect anymore leftist Presidents that hate their own country, and think it imperialist.

Islamic State should be long forgotten dust on the desert floor.
The only reason they still exist is that the above mentioned president has done nothing substantive to end them.
Except for his stern disapproving rhetoric.

The infuriating part is that ISIS is very weak, yet is made to look powerful and grow through inaction.


You nailed it!!

ISIL will continue to spread until such time as the Americans finally oust the Democrats and elect a president with the balls to actually be a commander-in-chief -- one capable of implementing a sound, intelligent foreign policy rather than continually spouting nonsense, i.e. claiming that climate change is responsible for terrorism among other nonsensical idealistic ideas espoused from him and his politically correct supporters.
Obama is totally delusional and he will go down in history as the most inept and worst of U.S. presidents. His foreign policies (or lack of) are totally responsible for the Middle East crisis and the proliferation of global terrorism.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:05 pm 
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All Star wrote:

You nailed it!!

ISIL will continue to spread until such time as the Americans finally oust the Democrats and elect a president with the balls to actually be a commander-in-chief -- one capable of implementing a sound, intelligent foreign policy rather than continually spouting nonsense, i.e. claiming that climate change is responsible for terrorism among other nonsensical idealistic ideas espoused from him and his politically correct supporters.
Obama is totally delusional and he will go down in history as the most inept and worst of U.S. presidents. His foreign policies (or lack of) are totally responsible for the Middle East crisis and the proliferation of global terrorism.


When did Obama say that climate change was responsible for terrorism? The only people I've seen in the news, unless I missed something, saying that is Prince Charles of UK and Bill Nye the Science guy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bil ... b2818b810b
http://news.sky.com/story/1592373/charl ... ate-change

Every president is inept to somebody. There's no way a single president is going to be highly regarded by everyone. Just because you enjoy warmongering, doesn't make him inept. It's makes him more moderate. Every war the US starts creates a new problem years or decades later.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:09 pm 
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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
KKK actually has grown in recent times due to economic hardships in the US plus the fact most are now educated enough to realize they can preach under protection of free speech. (1920s had highest membership of course as that was the depression).


Yes the KKK may be educated enough to know their freedom of speech, but they also have a hard recruiting new members because most people in America are educated. Hence they know that thereality of KKK, and would run away from any form of the KKK. A prime example of how educating the people works in the 1920's (highest membership) Canada and the US did not have a great educational system. Majority of the people did not go to school they tended their parents farm. Even in 1960 many farm children did not get above a grade 8 education


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justagirl wrote:
Mr.Peppermint wrote:
KKK actually has grown in recent times due to economic hardships in the US plus the fact most are now educated enough to realize they can preach under protection of free speech. (1920s had highest membership of course as that was the depression).


Yes the KKK may be educated enough to know their freedom of speech, but they also have a hard recruiting new members because most people in America are educated.


And this is what I was disputing
Membership in KKK today is way up, much higher levels than what they had back in the 60s
So that education you espouse really did not do much now did it

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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
justagirl wrote:
Mr.Peppermint wrote:
KKK actually has grown in recent times due to economic hardships in the US plus the fact most are now educated enough to realize they can preach under protection of free speech. (1920s had highest membership of course as that was the depression).


Yes the KKK may be educated enough to know their freedom of speech, but they also have a hard recruiting new members because most people in America are educated.


And this is what I was disputing
Membership in KKK today is way up, much higher levels than what they had back in the 60s
So that education you espouse really did not do much now did it

Could you please provide the numbers to back up your statement?


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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
justagirl wrote:
Mr.Peppermint wrote:
KKK actually has grown in recent times due to economic hardships in the US plus the fact most are now educated enough to realize they can preach under protection of free speech. (1920s had highest membership of course as that was the depression).


Yes the KKK may be educated enough to know their freedom of speech, but they also have a hard recruiting new members because most people in America are educated.


And this is what I was disputing
Membership in KKK today is way up, much higher levels than what they had back in the 60s
So that education you espouse really did not do much now did it


You should just admit you don't like brown people. Hodor!

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