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The map at this Global News website (below) shows PC's firmly in control of south central Ontario.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4212098/ontario-election-simulation-map

That can't be correct?
It shows PC & NDP battling it out; Liberals are reduced to a non-party on that map


Liberals have been projected for 1-3 seats for weeks now.

Yeah I read the projections but I did not believe it

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Congrats to the Greens :) on their first seat at Queens Park.

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Congrats to the Greens :) on their first seat at Queens Park.



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Congrats to the Greens :) on their first seat at Queens Park.


Wonder if this will get them a spot at the debates in 4 years.

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Congrats to the Greens :) on their first seat at Queens Park.


I hear our local candidate on debates and some other greenies on the radio. They sounds like regular people, not politicians. Even their green policies are not doctrine, but something which makes sense.

I hope PC will not end EV rebates and charging stations support.


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I hope PC will not end EV rebates and charging stations support.


Re the current rebates - I think they are too high. There is no need for Ontario to be twice and even three times higher than other provinces that offer rebates.

We can still be leaders without being stupid and excessive about it. After all, they are tax dollars we are giving away.

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/support/incentives

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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
Yeah I read the projections but I did not believe it



From the article http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/if-ontario-liberals-lose-recognized-party-status-after-thursday-s-election-what-comes-next-1.4693261
"In fact, the size of the loss or victory by the new government is exaggerated by the first-past-the-post system, Pilon said. Even if the Liberals are reduced to a couple of seats, they still appear poised to receive as much as 20 per cent of voter support. He said that's not a bad place to begin rebuilding party support from.

"In a more mathematically accurate system, they would end up on election day with considerably more seats than what they are going to end up with in our system," Pilon said.

"So I think that's also something that people need to be aware of, is that the vote totals of the winning party are an exaggeration of their support, and the vote totals for the losing party are also an exaggeration of their defeat.""


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Anti PC vote for Milton is NDP based on votewell.ca.


Hmmm. With Indira coming second by a long shot over the NDP it seems votewell.ca's anti PC vote should have been Liberal, not NDP. As I recall the NDP were near 30% in the polls in Milton and the Liberals close to 20% while the PC's were 48% or so a few days before the election. I guess the NDP supporters have a hard time getting off their ass and out to the polls.


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I guess the NDP supporters have a hard time getting off their ass and out to the polls.


A few days prior to the election the NDP vote tipped down. They peaked too soon. But,,, they never had a chance because the PC's distribution of vote was such that during the entire election the accurate progections where 80 percent plus odds that the PC's would win a majority.

The CBC's Poll Tracker was the only source of accurate information and it never showed the NDP ahead or even close to winning.

The foolish media did their thing during the election by constantly hyping up individual polls showing a neck-to-neck race but it was all garbage. One even hyped a poll showing the NDP in a majority position that was complete hogwash.

On 640 yesterday an NDP pundit admitted that their support started to tank a few days prior to the election after being pressed on their unrelenting union support that was so strong that they would never force a public sector union back to work or force binding arbitration. By admitting this Horwath was seen as a high stakes gambler at the table with unions with her cards turned around for all to see.

Many workers in private sector unions across Ontario were sent notes and emails from their unions telling them to vote NDP. The people I know who got these "warnings of doom and gloom" laughed at those warnings and voted PC. The only unions that stuck with the NDP after abandoning the Liberals was the public sector unions and no doubt most of them got out to vote.

Poll tracker - https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker

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This site lets you look at the results for Milton by polling station.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4257183/onta ... ults-2018/

It's interesting to see some of the voting patterns. For example, the older parts of the riding overwhelming voted PC but my experience with Milton Old Stock leads me to believe many of them would have voted for a ficus if it had a blue sign. Other areas of Milton were much, much closer which shows the impact of Milton's demographic changes. Parm won most of the polls but he was close to 30% in many.


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This site lets you look at the results for Milton by polling station.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4257183/onta ... ults-2018/

It's interesting to see some of the voting patterns. For example, the older parts of the riding overwhelming voted PC but my experience with Milton Old Stock leads me to believe many of them would have voted for a ficus if it had a blue sign. Other areas of Milton were much, much closer which shows the impact of Milton's demographic changes. Parm won most of the polls but he was close to 30% in many.

Cool resource. But you're mistaken in your "Old Stock" generalization. The polling stations that contain that demographic - the WW2 "Greatest Generation" folks that are either reviled or revered depending on your socio-political orientation - went Liberal or high-Liberal percentages. Look at those itty-bitty mostly red specks on the map: Stations 400, 401, 700 through 704 were all apparently set up in old folk's homes or senior's condo buildings, which are populated nearly 100% "Old Stock" using your term. Most went Liberal, and in numbers far outweighing the rest of the Riding.

Looking at the other polling stations - the other 99% of the riding - is more interesting. It all went PC Blue for different reasons, probably a mixture of priorities but mostly a split between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism. Plus an unknowable component of melanin level bias, which is always a factor.

Speaking of social conservatism, look at that whopping 0.39% vote share for the Social Reform Party - wooooo! I'll take that as a good sign.

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This site lets you look at the results for Milton by polling station.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4257183/onta ... ults-2018/

It's interesting to see some of the voting patterns. For example, the older parts of the riding overwhelming voted PC but my experience with Milton Old Stock leads me to believe many of them would have voted for a ficus if it had a blue sign. Other areas of Milton were much, much closer which shows the impact of Milton's demographic changes. Parm won most of the polls but he was close to 30% in many.

Cool resource. But you're mistaken in your "Old Stock" generalization. The polling stations that contain that demographic - the WW2 "Greatest Generation" folks that are either reviled or revered depending on your socio-political orientation - went Liberal or high-Liberal percentages. Look at those itty-bitty mostly red specks on the map: Stations 400, 401, 700 through 704 were all apparently set up in old folk's homes or senior's condo buildings, which are populated nearly 100% "Old Stock" using your term. Most went Liberal, and in numbers far outweighing the rest of the Riding.

Looking at the other polling stations - the other 99% of the riding - is more interesting. It all went PC Blue for different reasons, probably a mixture of priorities but mostly a split between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism. Plus an unknowable component of melanin level bias, which is always a factor.

Speaking of social conservatism, look at that whopping 0.39% vote share for the Social Reform Party - wooooo! I'll take that as a good sign.


I hear what you're saying but I don't mean old people when I say old stock. It's more a state of mind shared by those who have been here for a long time. Some of them are actually relatively young. They're often found at TSC or making comments about all the types of rice that are now available at the grocery store. I certainly have nothing against the "greatest generation"
I think the old age homes are also equally filled with people new to Milton. Granted I don't know many but the people I do know who have been in these senior's buildings have come from Burlington and Mississauga.


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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
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I guess the NDP supporters have a hard time getting off their ass and out to the polls.

A few days prior to the election the NDP vote tipped down. They peaked too soon. But,,, they never had a chance because the PC's distribution of vote was such that during the entire election the accurate progections where 80 percent plus odds that the PC's would win a majority.
The CBC's Poll Tracker was the only source of accurate information and it never showed the NDP ahead or even close to winning.
The foolish media did their thing during the election by constantly hyping up individual polls showing a neck-to-neck race but it was all garbage. One even hyped a poll showing the NDP in a majority position that was complete hogwash.
On 640 yesterday an NDP pundit admitted that their support started to tank a few days prior to the election after being pressed on their unrelenting union support that was so strong that they would never force a public sector union back to work or force binding arbitration. By admitting this Horwath was seen as a high stakes gambler at the table with unions with her cards turned around for all to see.
Many workers in private sector unions across Ontario were sent notes and emails from their unions telling them to vote NDP. The people I know who got these "warnings of doom and gloom" laughed at those warnings and voted PC. The only unions that stuck with the NDP after abandoning the Liberals was the public sector unions and no doubt most of them got out to vote.

Poll tracker - https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker


Don't go all Trump and start blaming the media for lying. The CBC poll tracker never indicated the NDP would form a government. In fact I don't think it dipped below a 80% prediction that the Cons would form a majority. Nor did any other media outlet that I'm aware of. What the polls indicated were a higher popular vote for the NDP. The issue the NDP have is their leader who lacks a real vision for the province or at least never articulated one. It's one thing she and Ford have in common. If there had been a leader more like a Jack Layton, I think the NDP would have done much better but being the third party they can't attract quality candidates nor quality back room people. They're not going to dump Horwath but it would be the best thing for them. There was a clear desire for change and a great fear of Ford but it seems the fear of the NDP was greater. A better leader would have capitalized on that desire for change.


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This site lets you look at the results for Milton by polling station.

Ok wtf is up with the tiny polling stations? Is that the pre election day votes?

Station 701, 700, 401, 702 have very few voters and in general all voted against the grain

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I guess the NDP supporters have a hard time getting off their ass and out to the polls.

A few days prior to the election the NDP vote tipped down. They peaked too soon. But,,, they never had a chance because the PC's distribution of vote was such that during the entire election the accurate progections where 80 percent plus odds that the PC's would win a majority.
The CBC's Poll Tracker was the only source of accurate information and it never showed the NDP ahead or even close to winning.
The foolish media did their thing during the election by constantly hyping up individual polls showing a neck-to-neck race but it was all garbage. One even hyped a poll showing the NDP in a majority position that was complete hogwash.
On 640 yesterday an NDP pundit admitted that their support started to tank a few days prior to the election after being pressed on their unrelenting union support that was so strong that they would never force a public sector union back to work or force binding arbitration. By admitting this Horwath was seen as a high stakes gambler at the table with unions with her cards turned around for all to see.
Many workers in private sector unions across Ontario were sent notes and emails from their unions telling them to vote NDP. The people I know who got these "warnings of doom and gloom" laughed at those warnings and voted PC. The only unions that stuck with the NDP after abandoning the Liberals was the public sector unions and no doubt most of them got out to vote.

Poll tracker - https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker


Don't go all Trump and start blaming the media for lying. The CBC poll tracker never indicated the NDP would form a government. In fact I don't think it dipped below a 80% prediction that the Cons would form a majority. Nor did any other media outlet that I'm aware of. What the polls indicated were a higher popular vote for the NDP. The issue the NDP have is their leader who lacks a real vision for the province or at least never articulated one. It's one thing she and Ford have in common. If there had been a leader more like a Jack Layton, I think the NDP would have done much better but being the third party they can't attract quality candidates nor quality back room people. They're not going to dump Horwath but it would be the best thing for them. There was a clear desire for change and a great fear of Ford but it seems the fear of the NDP was greater. A better leader would have capitalized on that desire for change.


Very strange. You seem argumentative even though we agree, and you even slap Trump and liar insults on me :shock: Must be a comprehension problem. My post was more information than opinion.

I said -

"The foolish media did their thing during the election by constantly hyping up individual polls showing a neck-to-neck race but it was all garbage. One even hyped a poll showing the NDP in a majority position that was complete hogwash."

"The CBC's Poll Tracker was the only source of accurate information and it never showed the NDP ahead or even close to winning."

As for Horwath. Not sure. As for Trump - he's not my cup o tea :)

OMG,,,, it's opinion time - IMO it's the polls that need to look in the mirror and ask themselves why they were constantly showing a neck and neck race when that never existed. It should be obvious to everyone by now that popular vote means nothing when polling. Any fool can ask a bunch of people in downtown Toronto who they would vote for and come up with a poll. The popular vote in that case might be NDP and that poll may conclude that the NDP could win with a majority. The problem though is that in the big picture, that poll would be meaningless.

I can see why many NDP voters were disappointed with the election results because they were lead to believe by "the media" who constantly hyped various "polls" that the election was close when it was not.

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