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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:01 pm 
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So in 1300AD prehistoric "Milton" was either getted "Conquested" or doing the "Conquesting"
as per James Valere Wrights 1966/1969 Conquest Hypothesis

Basically there were a group of aboriginals living north of Lake Erie
(the Glen Meyer culture) and another group living north of Lake Ontario
(the Pickering culture) and that around 1300AD the Pickerings committed a War Crime
against the Glen Meyers

prehistoric "Milton" was probably at the boundary between the two Iroquois
cultures

(As per Aboriginal Ontario published by the Ontario Gov't in 1993
and sitting in the Milton Library shelves about 2 months ago

exract from 0a54 Wright
"Conclusions
In my opinion the conquest theory is still the most
reasonable explanation for the sudden and massive
cultural changes which took place in one geographic
area of the Ontario Iroquois Tradition around the
end of the 13th century. The theory implies that by
the 13th century a number of Pickering culture
villages had developed an interlocking social
structure which permitted the formation of a highly
effective militaristic confederacy. These dramatic
developments in social organization would have
been based on a changing economic base,
horticulture, with women becoming the main food
producers. Hypothetical reasons for the conquest
could consist of any one or a combination of the
following: warfare required for male prestige
following economic changes which reduced the
prestige value of hunting; crop failures in the
environmentally less favoured regions of eastern
Southern Ontario during the critical period when
shorter growing season varieties of northern flint
corn were being developed; and the appearance of
an exceptional leader or leaders (Wright, 1990:498-
499).
In summary, nearly thirty years ago Rouse (in Hole
and Heizer, 1973:391) stipulated five necessary
procedures for identifying population migration in
the archaeological record:
1. the identification of the migrating people as an
intrusive population in the region being penetrated;
2. the tracing of these people back to their original
homeland;
3. the establishment of the contemporaneity of the
populations involved;
4. the identification of the conditions favourable to
migration; and
5. the demonstration that other forces of cultural
change such as diffusion and independent invention
were not involved.
Sanger (1975:73) has added a 6th crucial procedure,
6. the demonstration that all cultural subsystems
were involved, not just single, isolated ones such as
the mortuary system.
All of these procedures are fulfilled by the
conquest theory. Twenty-five years of published
archaeological research has reinforced, not
weakened the theory. By a theory I mean an
assumption based upon principles independent of
the phenomena under consideration. And, as I have
stated elsewhere, "Certainly, until some of the
questionable handling of basic archaeological data
changes, this critical stage in the development of"


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Trudeau has already issued more apoligies than anyone in history
Do you really need more???

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wow- joined in 2015. 3 years of this crazy sh*t.


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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
Trudeau has already issued more apoligies than anyone in history
Do you really need more???


Actually it would probably be Premier Doug Ford doing the
apologizing,but who he'd have to apologize to is up for debate.

It might be useful for me to flesh out the backgrounder,since if
Wilfred Laurier opens a campus in Miltons Educational Village you might see one of the
actors in the "Conquest Hypothesis " debate coming to teach at that campus.

So its 1949 and Ontario History says
Champlain Came
then the Iroquois defeated the Hurons and ate Brebeuf in 1649AD

So everything before about 1609 is pretty murky in those
Ontario History 101 textbooks getting published in 1949

Some farmer named Goessens in Norfolk Cty bulldozing a field uncovers
a archaeological site.Tom Lee of the National Museum of Canada comes along in 1949 and does a emergency test trench on the mostly bulldozed and destroyed ancient village.

However he contacts folk at some American museums and universities
and in April 1950 a fairly thorough aerchaeological dig and study is
done of that village.As I understand matters Lee uses the unique pottery style
from the Goessens site and other ancient villages along Lake Eries
north side to declared the historic existence
of the Glen Meyer culture (850AD to 1250AD)
and over the next decade further work by the archaeologists along
Lake Ontario's north end brings the Pickering culture to life.The Pickerings
had a different pottery style then the Glen Meyers,hence two distinct
medieval(?) Iroquois cultures.

As I understand matters JV Wright noted in his
National Museum of Canada book 210
Early Ontario Iroquois Tradition (1966)
that around 1300AD onwards pottery from ancient villages above Lake Erie
suddenly had more in common with Pickering pottery then Glen Meyer pottery.

So its 1200AD and about 500 or so Glen Meyer women and girls
are making Glen Meyer pottery
and then by 1300AD 500 women and girls of the "Unknown Mystery" culture
are making Pickering pottery.

The Conquest Hypothesis

Which has given Ontario archaeologists indigestion ever since
Wright published it in 1966

However the Ontario Government ( Premier Mike Harris)
made the Conquest Hypothesis Official Ontario History
when on pages 33 and 34 of Aboriginal Ontario ( 1993)
there was a brief toned down 2 paragraph version of
the Conquest Hypothesis included in that chapter
of a 300 or so page history book on
aboriginals in Ontario

So Doug Ford needs to kneel
not Justin Trudeau

In a 2013 doctoral paper some Western university student wrote
I noted she didn't want the Conquest Hypothesis anywhere
near her 'family friend medieval Iroquoians in Ontario'
thesis

So the past can impact the present


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:00 pm 
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Milton Dutch Day wrote:
Actually it would probably be Premier Doug Ford doing the
apologizing,but who he'd have to apologize to is up for debate.

:lol:
Man you craziest person on this board if you believe that

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:13 pm 
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Well did my Civic Duty today and voted in the Advance Poll at Hugh Foster Hall
and got a

"I Voted Milton Votes" sticker

As I understand it there will be a advance poll at Milton Mall
on Saturday and Sunday

As for name recognition as a reason for selecting a
Town Councillor
it was all "gobble gobble sansi gobble gobble hinsi gobble gobble weja"

so when the words "Ali Khan" sprang forth
that's who I voted for.

Truthfully haven't
who or what a "Ali Khan' is
but the noise sounded harmonious

Likely other voters will experience the same
auditory sensation when its time for them to vote


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:44 pm 
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That's an interesting voting strategy. Personally I prefer the alphabetic system. Two elections ago I voted for the person listed on the top of the ballot, last time the second name so I guess I'm voting for who ever is listed third this time. That gets us the best government right?


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Groundbreaking wrote:
That's an interesting voting strategy. Personally I prefer the alphabetic system. Two elections ago I voted for the person listed on the top of the ballot, last time the second name so I guess I'm voting for who ever is listed third this time. That gets us the best government right?
God help us, and I'm not the least bit religious.

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Greenjp wrote:
God help us, and I'm not the least bit religious.

He doesn't believe in you either


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I know it can be difficult to sense a facetious tone in an internet post so I'll spell it out a bit more. It was a flippant response to Dutchie's suggestion that we vote based on how nicely a candidate's name sounds. If God were real he would have gotten it right away.


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