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 Post subject: Re: Covid Halflife
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:32 pm 
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Mr.Peppermint wrote:
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Covid 19 was ID in UK as early as October 2019
USA had it November 2019 (although the later wave in Washington is way more severe)



Interesting! Legitimate sources seem to indicate the first documented case in the UK as January 29th (a couple of Chinese tourists). In the US it was January 20th (a person returning from Wuhan). Are you perhaps using the old Julian calendar? Do you have a source for these October and November dates?


Legitimate sources have been posted by myself and others in these forums
But NO source I have ever seen has ever claimed Wuhan was the source of the virus (well excluding a few racist xenophobic posters)

Even China itself has documented cases from before Wuhan


Can you show me these legitimate sources?
Are you sure you aren't confused by other coronaviruses like SARS or MERS?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:45 pm 
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He’s a troll, don’t waste your energy . Still won’t supply his “ legitimate sources “:despite your requests. On one of his or hers, last links, the paper was withdrawn by authors.
Don’t waste your time on Pepe. Not worth the time.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:38 am 
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He’s a troll, don’t waste your energy . Still won’t supply his “ legitimate sources “:despite your requests. On one of his or hers, last links, the paper was withdrawn by authors.
Don’t waste your time on Pepe. Not worth the time.

You are hilarious
The "paper withdrawn" was PROVING *YOUR* claims were false (relation between Covid and HIV strains, and claims of bio engineering in Wuhan)
It was posted to prove YOU had no clue what you were talking about

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Can you show me these legitimate sources?
Are you sure you aren't confused by other coronaviruses like SARS or MERS?


Which source? USA?
This is in other thread but here
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/2020-03-13?f_country=USA
Not every strain to USA comes through China, many of the earlier strains are traced back to other locales (eg UK)

You can clearly see there are multiple versions of Covid from multiple sources
And yes the biggest one did come through China but it was not the first one

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:17 pm 
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What are you talking about? I really can not follow what you're trying spew.

It's estimated the virus mutates about once every two weeks so of course there are multiple strains. You posted an article a while back that examined the first 3 variants. If true, there should be tens of thousands of mutations by now. So what is your point? Most of the infections in the US came from Europe. That is why they shut down travel from Europe first. Most of the infections we got in Canada came from the US. What does it really matter which strain is where?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:05 pm 
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What a horrible thought,,,,,, and heaven forbid,,,,,, to suggest that Canada ( and the world ) hold China's government accountable.

In the article posted below - the former top Obama official must be an evil racist person :roll:

"Holding China accountable is in Canada's 'moral' and 'strategic' interests, says ex-ambassador."

"Investigating China and holding its authoritarian regime accountable for its actions early on in the COVID-19 pandemic is in Canada's moral and strategic interests, former U.S. President Barack Obama's top diplomat to the United Nations told CBC News."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/holding-china-accountable-is-in-canadas-moral-and-strategic-interests-says-ex-ambassador/ar-BB13qFRK?ocid=spartandhp

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 9:22 am 
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Why and what would that look like? What would be the goal? I think it would be like trying to blame the rain for getting you wet.

We all, Canada, China, WHO, the US, etc. have a lot to learn from what happened here and I'm sure a lot of important changes will take place in the future. China was no doubt too slow to respond and was very secretive but that's what they do. They try to control everything which we have always known. If there are reports of a virus spreading through a city and they decide to lock down most of the province but they tell us things aren't that bad, we need to scratch our heads a little. If they tell us they aren't locking up millions of Uighurs because of their religion, they're lying. If they say they aren't interfering in Hong Kong, they are. None of this is new to us but they can make our stuff for cheap so it doesn't matter.

"Blaming China and holding China responsible" is pretty popular in some circles but I don't get it. It mostly seems to be more right wing politicians and especially Trump who like to push this idea. For Trump it makes sense because he needs to redirect blame from himself for his really slow and poor handling of things. It looks like the US is going to surpass 1/3 of total reported deaths from Covid 19 which is pretty shocking. Trump wants to change the narrative. First it was WHO. Then it was China. Next it will be immigrants or Governors or Democrats or the media or one of his other usual targets. The rest of the US likes the blame China because they tend to want to simplify complex issues into black and white, good and bad. There needs to be a villain here.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 10:09 am 
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Groundbreaking wrote:
It mostly seems to be more right wing politicians and especially Trump who like to push this idea.


Well,,, you are wrong there, but yes, it's a shame that for many, the thin skinned narcissist Trump tarnishes EVERY thought -

BUT - the CBC article that I posted was written by a top Obama official AND Irwin Cotler, a former Liberal Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada feels the same way. ( Google "cotler china" that if you want ) As well, the UK, the EU, the Liberal Party of Australia, New Zealand, India, millions of Chinese citizens, and billions of others feel the same way.

I can't understand the resistance to finding out how this happened.

Remember - while Trump is a repulsive thin skinned racist narcissist, not everything he says or does is wrong. It is just how he does things that is the problem.

It is too weak headed to think that the billions of people around the world who want an explanation from China are simply Trumpian lap dogs and evil racists. That's simplistic crazy talk, especially when race has nothing to do with this whole mess.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 1:40 pm 
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Your stretching my words to distort what I am saying. My issue is with "holding them accountable". Good luck with that. What would it even look like?

There is no resistance to finding out how this happened. Investigations galore will take place after all of this. Did we shut everything down too soon or too late? Were border closures useful? Mask or no masks in public? PPE procurement, storage, etc. Old folks homes. Funding levels for WHO. Chinese government's response. Our government's response. Food security. So many things to investigate.

There is no doubt we will learn more about how the Chinese government initially responded over the next few years and it's likely just to confirm what we already know. They're response wasn't very good and was destructive. And, we probably shouldn't trust them in the future (just like we didn't in the past). Just wait for all the Datelines, Fifth Estates, Netflix documentaries, government reports to come out and confirm what we already know.

It is more the right wing who are advocating "accountability" (aka punishments and sanctions) against China. You can easily find exceptions because things aren't that black and white and we are all far more complex than simple boxes. Samantha Power as an example has always been a huge advocate against human rights atrocities and abuses of power so she is naturally going to be more inclined to punish power in a situation like this.

What is with the Trump diatribe?


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 3:42 pm 
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"There is no resistance to finding out how this happened."

The BBC would disagree - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52420536

Maybe we both have great worthwhile opinions. Lets leave it at that. :)

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 7:52 pm 
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@HHI the increasing globalization of the economy really only benefits the rich

They outsource cheap labour to places like China then claim that the reduction in cost is somehow beneficial to us locally (while overlooking the decreased quality which also requires much more spending as we happily make 5 smaller purchases due to breakage instead of 1 large one)

Even more amusing we send billions overseas for poor starving people while we have people locally starving

But that seems impossible to undo at this point; globalization is a "good" thing afterall

@gb you keep running in circles with everyone; what exactly are you searching for? Noone will ever hit those goal posts as they move every post you make.
Regardless of mutations the exact dates and which doctors confirmed which strains is very clear in link above. And in addition to this many mainstream media sources have said that while Wuhan was a massive centre of the outbreak, it certainly was not the most important one (excluding Washington State - Pacific Northwest outbreak). NYC has nothing to do with Wuhan and imo that is by far the most danger to us locally as they share a border with ON & PQ, the two hardest hit provinces.
Wuhan main foray into Canada was BC and AB to a lesser extent. But that idiocy can be blamed solely at Trudeau & Tam since many people outwest were screaming to shut down borders weeks before we ever considered it. All we kept hearing about was "those racists out west". That is the reason Libs never win a seat out there, they just don't care.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 10:13 pm 
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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
I can't understand the resistance to finding out how this happened.

See below, do you not answer yourself?

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It is too weak headed to think that the billions of people around the world who want an explanation from China are simply Trumpian lap dogs and evil racists. That's simplistic crazy talk, especially when race has nothing to do with this whole mess.

This is how public opinion is marshaled now. Used especially well by some of our bought-and-paid-for stenographer press, led by our national broadcaster.

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