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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:44 am 
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Ok, im glad its not only me! I bought a Springvalley model resale several months ago and its true...the ground floor is FREEZING. I keep my heat pretty low to begin with (16-17 C) and everyone razzes me about turning the heat up. My dad was suggesting that maybe the door/window isnt insulated or something?

Also, the tiles are FREEZING as if they didnt put a subfloor down and just laid the tiles on top of the cement.


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We have a Brentridge End and our downstairs is extremely cold. You could not spend any time down there in winter.

When we have complained to Mattamy they say thats just how they are... there is not basements, you are on the concrete, etc.

I've always been a little amazed though how few heating vents we have down there. Look in any other room and we have usually at least 4 vents. Our whole first floor only has two (one in the powder room, and one in the hall)

We did have an inspector in for our 1 year and she found many drafts coming in places on the first floor, but was also concerned that it should not be as cold as it is. So we will see what happens.


But as for having a model with a room down there... if its anything like ours, you wouldn't even be able to stand staying down there in the winter, let alone the cold being bad for your electronics

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During inspections of Village Homes we have noted many times that there was no return provided to the heating system from the lower level. In one case the return duct was installed but the builder forgot to cut the hole in the drywall and install the return grate. In the other cases the return and duct was missing altogether.

Don't confuse a grate on the wall with a return. It is there to provide air to the heating equipment for combustion. The return grate should be near the floor, outside of the room with your heating equipment. There should be a duct from this grate directed to your boiler/furnace. Without this return, cold air will just settle in this part of your home.

This would be a warranty repair.

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I have a village home corner with the den and don't have a problem. I've spent just about every night this winter down there watching tv and such (and usually falling asleep!) and the temperature is just fine. The den itself has two heat registers and a return air duct so maybe that has something to do with it


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check17 wrote:
Hi..We are in an Ashfield village townhouse...The bottom floor is absolutely frezzing in the winter. Luckily, there are no rooms on that floor (just a small foyer/mudroom and the utilities room which also has our washer and dryer in it). There are 2 heat vents which work fine, but no matter if they are on or not, that area is really cold. There are some drafts from the front door and from the door which leads into the garage. It probably doesn't help that the tile in that area is likely on cement...And this is an energy star home :shock: The main floor is fine for temperature, and the upstairs floor is usually about a degree to a degree and a half colder than the main floor...Which I hear is pretty normal.

Halton Home Inspector...Is there a way to check to make sure the return is working properly? ie: putting a piece of kleenex on it to see if it is taking in the air?


I have the exact same home with the same problem..


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Halton Home Inspector...Is there a way to check to make sure the return is working properly? ie: putting a piece of kleenex on it to see if it is taking in the air?


Hi check17

I prefer to use a piece of plastic that I carry, but a couple paper towels will work. Just make sure it's sized big enough to completely cover the return grate.

Your utility room should have 2 grates. One allows air into the room for your equipment to use for combustion. The other should be the return. The return should be as low to the floor as possible so that the coldest air in the home is returned to the furnace/boiler to be heated and sent back into the home.

With the heating system running, hold the paper towel to the return. It should be sucked onto the grate firmly. If there is weak pull on the towel then the return is obstructed, broken, or poorly designed. While you are at it, check all the other returns in the home. You may get a sense that some perform beter than others.

Please let me know the results of your test.

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mcarag wrote:
Snodgrass - Does the grate in your den have ducting into the furnace room?


Yes it has ducting to the furnace. When the heat is on the suction is quite powerful.


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Halton Home Inspector - I did notice a grate on the wall in the Den but it simply goes into the furnace room. No ducting whatsoever...it might as well just be a hole in the wall. Are you saying that there should be a duct from the Den to the furnace directly? Our 1 year is coming up and I'm thinking maybe we should call you to do our 1 year inspection.


Hi mcarag,

Your utility room requires supply air for the equipment in the utility room to use for combustion. Furnaces, boilers, water heaters, etc., can not just be put in a tiny room without this supply air. The equipment would not perform properly. It's like trying to suck air out of a glass bottle, and that can't be done.

Every floor requires a return.

It could be that this hole, with a grate over it, is the supply air for the utility room but it could also be where the builder intended to have a return. Is there another supply air grate somewhere else ? Is there also a return in the den ?

I would not be the first time that I have discovered missing duct work.

Every owner, of any new home should call us for their one year warranty inspection. I have been specifically trained to identify issues that your builder is required to repair, improve, or provide. I have yet to do a home inspection where the value of the repairs detected were less than the cost of my service. While many new homes are OK, with just a few issues, many others are not.

I also inspect many newer resale homes for buyers. During these inspections, no warranty issues should be found. When they are, the buyer will likely request a discount on the price of the home or ask the seller to pay for repairs that the builder would have fixed for free.

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mcarag wrote:
Snodgrass,

You said you have the corner unit with a den right? Do you have two grates on your first floor as well?


I think so....the den has the air return grate and 2 heat vents, then there's another heating vent in the foyer and I think a grate into the utility room (I'll have to check on that!). And there's another heat vent in the utility room. Funny enough my last house had a basement which I found to be much colder!


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Our utility room does have two grates...One is covering an empty hole in the wall...The other one has an aluminum screwed backing on the other side...I can't tell if there is piping behind it. I will need to either unscrew the aluminum piece, or do the paper-towel test...Another interesting note...The grate which is supposed to be the return is in the wall on the staircase...Not facing the actual mudroom. It would seem that it would be taking the cold air from the stairwell instead of from the actual room.


check17,

The one on the stairway is normally the supply air, not the return air.

The return air grate should be as close to the floor as possible as the coldest air in the home will be at the floor. Unless there is a return in this location, then cold air will just accumulate in this area and sit there.

When in the utility room, you should be able to see what is going on.

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We bought a 2 year old resale Moonseed End, our ground floor is crazy freezing as well. I noticed that all the heating vents are in the ceiling, perhaps that has something to do with it, since warm air rises it never actually makes it down to the floor to warm the space.

I also wonder if tearing up the ceramic floors and putting in some sort of heated floor system would be worth it?


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Halton Home Inspector - my one year is coming up, what is your fee for inspecting mainstreet towns for the 1 year list?


On the fence,

On this topic I posted a special rate for village towns under 1800 square feet for $259.

This includes our complete thorough inspection, our incredible 400 page Home Referrence Book Report, and all Tarion Warranty forms.

Visit our "What You Get" page on our website at http://www.haltoninspections.com

Book early for Saturday Inspections. Your one year inspection forms need to be submitted in the last 30 days of your first year of possession.

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I also noticed that the roughed in Central vac just has an open pipe from the garage into the den.


Lets hope that the central vac line from the garage is not "open" and that it's taped and sealed in the garage with red vapor barrier Tuck Tape. If it is open, you have a very serious health hazard there.

But that's another subject.

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This concerns me greatly since we have purchased a Mainstreet Detached and our office will be on the ground floor.... :?


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the heated floor option would have been nice

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