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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:31 pm 
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That's a new one on me. I inspect everything regardless of who did the PDI. Things can happen over the first year i.e. a window gets fogged (lost seal), scorching in the panel, etc, etc.

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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Come on John,,, no one inspects "everything".

Every brick, every shingle, every wall for scuffs.

Professional Home Inspectors don't generally comment on cosmetic issues during home inspections. The PDI is a cosmetic inspection, so if you got help during that inspection, then walls, floors, counters, etc. would have been the focus at that time.

If that Inspector checked every outlet and determined that they were properly installed and wired then there is little point for that inspector to repeat that process with regular outlets. GFI outlets however, should be checked again because they often fail and are a safety issue.

If you hire a different inspector to inspect your home then that person should check the outlets.

The question is, do you really need to pay someone to tell you where your nail-pops are or that you should not be happy with the finish of a painted wall?

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Andy
You took my comment too literally. Of course I didn't mean cosmetics, but electrical, structural, etc yes. I don't care who did the PDI.

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OK, i need another coffee. i just noticed there is a halton and a haltonpeel home inspector. I thought the same guy was posting talking to himself! LOL

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Matt wrote:
OK, i need another coffee. i just noticed there is a halton and a haltonpeel home inspector. I thought the same guy was posting talking to himself! LOL

Matt


How could you, we don't even look the same :wink:

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Come on John,,, no one inspects "everything".

Every brick, every shingle, every wall for scuffs.


That's not true...We had a certain local inspector out for our 30-day that looked at every brick (unfortunately she missed everything else that was wrong after spending so long looking at the bricks)...

Here's an excerpt from her "report"... :roll:

* Remove mortar splashes from brick wall several areas on proch and right side of house as well as rear of house
* Power wash required to all brick wall after mortar is removed
* Large gap (missing mortar) at porch edge of wall under roof soffit
* Loose mortar at brick soldering under window sill on porch
* Loose mortar at brick wall above the window soldering right hand side
* Loose mortar, that needs to be filled, holes and gaps at 1st layer of brick wall of the proch and porch slab
* Brick base of column right side has large chipped edge of brick (2nd row under cement sill)
* Brick base of column right side, column mortar is cracked all around where the porch abuts to the brick base
* Right side porch column brick base, one brick is cracked down the middle
* Brick columns on porch has cracked bricks and poor mortar work, loose holes and flaking of mortar several areas
* Left side of garage door one brick is badly cracked (brick at edge of molding of garage door)
* Right side of house around wall vent and above electrical box area of brick wall has missing mortar several areas as well as the brick several of them are cracked
* Right side of house upper window left side brick sill there is a hole at hte wall and the sill (edge) missing mortar
* Right side of house, upper window bottom of soldering bricks both side and above has mortar missing (gapped)
* Right side of house, crack in brick above basement window
* Right sie of house, holes and gaps in mortar around window and several areas of this wall
* Rear of house, brick wall has holes and gaps in mortar several areas
* Rear of house, several bricks are cracked down the middle
* Rear of house, remove mortar splashes on marble step up sill at rear patio sliders
* Rear of house, clean mortar from patio sliding door tracks
* Rear of house, brick window sill is sloped forward, please re-do slope
* Rear of house, brick window sill has cracking mortar at joints
etc...


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Come on John,,, no one inspects "everything".

Every brick, every shingle, every wall for scuffs.


That's not true...We had a certain local inspector out for our 30-day that looked at every brick (unfortunately she missed everything else that was wrong after spending so long looking at the bricks)...

Here's an excerpt from her "report"...

* Remove mortar splashes from brick wall several areas on porch and right side of house as well as rear of house
* Power wash required to all brick wall after mortar is removed
* Large gap (missing mortar) at porch edge of wall under roof soffit
* Loose mortar at brick soldering under window sill on porch
* Loose mortar at brick wall above the window soldering right hand side
* Loose mortar, that needs to be filled, holes and gaps at 1st layer of brick wall of the porch and porch slab
* Brick base of column right side has large chipped edge of brick (2nd row under cement sill)
* Brick base of column right side, column mortar is cracked all around where the porch abuts to the brick base
* Right side porch column brick base, one brick is cracked down the middle
* Brick columns on porch has cracked bricks and poor mortar work, loose holes and flaking of mortar several areas
* Left side of garage door one brick is badly cracked (brick at edge of molding of garage door)
* Right side of house around wall vent and above electrical box area of brick wall has missing mortar several areas as well as the brick several of them are cracked
* Right side of house upper window left side brick sill there is a hole at hte wall and the sill (edge) missing mortar
* Right side of house, upper window bottom of soldering bricks both side and above has mortar missing (gapped)
* Right side of house, crack in brick above basement window
* Right sie of house, holes and gaps in mortar around window and several areas of this wall
* Rear of house, brick wall has holes and gaps in mortar several areas
* Rear of house, several bricks are cracked down the middle
* Rear of house, remove mortar splashes on marble step up sill at rear patio sliders
* Rear of house, clean mortar from patio sliding door tracks
* Rear of house, brick window sill is sloped forward, please re-do slope
* Rear of house, brick window sill has cracking mortar at joints
etc...


Well, I will elaborate. No Inspector inspects "everything", and no inspector should claim that they inspect "everything" because this will lead to confusion and misunderstanding. However, trained Inspectors inspect everything that they are supposed to inspect. This is listed in our Standards of Practice that is provided with every home inspection report and / or package of information.

But mt_42, I see your point, no one can spend endless amounts of time examining every brick if it takes away from the important aspects of the inspection.

I can't comment on your list but you should know that some bricks do have hairline cracks as a result of the drying process. These bricks are not considered defective. Also know that not every brick or mortar joint is required to be perfect.

One note - "Rear of house, brick window sill is sloped forward, please re-do slope." Does this inspector not want this sill to slope forward. It seems to me that this would be considered okay. In fact, in modern construction, this is not done enough.

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I agree 100% - Was simply trying to poke fun at the fact that there are people out there that claim to be inspectors and spend their time focusing on this kind of nonsense instead of looking for real problems (Let's just say that not everyone is as good as you and John).

The inspector that we hired for our 30 day spent almost 2 hours on the outside of our house looking at every single brick, mortar joint, etc only to produce a list of things that was almost completely unusable (i.e. the hairline cracks that you already commented on, the "missing" mortar that she noted were actually just weeping holes, she had no understanding of why the sill would be sloped for drainage, etc).

I think your earlier comments are spot on in that the focus needs to be on the important items...Electrical, Structural, etc...A cosmetic walkthrough at the PDI is one thing but this is really something that the homeowner can do themselves...It's the rest of the systems in the house that are important to get properly inspected by a professional that should obviously know more about how these things work than the homeowner (I'd put myself into the category of qualified handyman personally and it took everything in my power to be polite and not physically kick our inspector out of the house when she started to note that our showerstall floor should be redone because it wasn't flat and had a slope in it :shock: )

Long story, short. Keep up the good work as it's the qualified inspectors like you and John that are truly helping out in this community. Your work and feedback on these forums is appreciated.


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Carole,

Wow...I can honestly say that I was not expecting to see you reply (especially since I had purposely tried to give you and your company the benefit of the doubt by not including your name in any of my previous posts. Unlike all of the other posts on this board that have publicly criticized your company, I was trying to take the high road in the hope that things may have improved since we last spoke a few years ago).

However, since you're here and seem to be interested in dragging your own name through the mud, I might as well give my side of the story since your notes seem to be a bit fuzzy...

Yes, you did our PDI inspection back in July 2007.
No, we were not happy with your work and even my non-technical wife had concerns about some of your comments and items that we discovered afterwards that we felt you should have noticed as a “professional home inspector”.

Yes, we hired you again for our 30-day inspection.
No, this was not because we were "happy enough to engage your services for the follow up 30 day inspection". Unfortunately, my wife was hospitalized shortly after we moved in and we simply ran out of time to find someone else. On the premise that something had to be better than nothing, we contacted you at the last minute to perform our 30-day but subsequently cancelled because we weren't comfortable having you come back inside our home again. I forget what excuse we came up with at the time but we were simply trying to be polite while secretly hoping that you would just go away.

Yes, your list of exterior items was quite long.
No, I was not going to type all of that into my earlier message as the focus was specifically on the concept of looking at "every brick".

Yes, some of the items that you reported were valid and we included the important ones on the list that we submitted to Tarion.
No, everything on your list was not accurate and in many cases, the items you included were simply not important in the grand scheme of things. As anyone that has gone through the new home warranty process can tell you, it's important to pick and choose your battles. It's hard enough getting Tarion and the builders out to fix legitimate complaints and building code defects let alone trying to chase after them to power wash our bricks, chip off some mortar splashes or come out and lift up a little gravel to see that there really is a weeping tile connection in our window well despite what some inspector might have reported incorrectly.

Yes, the shower floor in our en suite bathroom is sloped toward the drain.
No, it's not "wavy" with "defective" floor tiles as it's actually quite smooth and drains perfectly.

Yes, you should have recognized what a dishwasher RI wire was when you saw it hanging in the ceiling.
No, you did not seem to recognize what it was. You also failed to recognize the fact that it was hanging above our laundry tub (safety hazard #1) and that the tub had been installed beside our electrical panel where water could easily splash on to the panel and breakers (safety hazard #2) and directly underneath the panel’s utility outlet which did not have a GFI receptacle (safety hazard #3).

Yes, you may have noticed the large hole in the wall of our basement (but I doubt it).
No, the hole was not for future use as our HRV had been installed at least 3 weeks prior to our PDI. Since it was obviously a mistake that someone had tried to cover-up (they had taped over it with painters tape for some reason, possibly during the blower door test as one of the Mattamy guys eventually admitted), I'm quite positive that one of us would have caused a stink with the Mattamy rep that was on-site for our PDI while we were walking through the house had you have mentioned this.

Long story, short - We were not happy with your service during either of your visits, we would not recommend your services to anyone on this board and yes, we did go with someone else for our 1-year inspection. That inspector was certified and came with a number of excellent recommendations. As such, they were quickly able to notice several critical issues including safety hazards, some OBC problems and structural issues that Mattamy was subsequently able to repair before they became a problem.

With that said and to try and get this thread back on topic…

Checking electrical outlets – Good. :D
Checking bricks instead of electrical outlets – Not so good. :cry:


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HelloMilton ... I would be interested in knowing the answer as well. In past I have used inspectors who have "Certified Master Inspector" designation. However you may still find some more detailed oriented than others.


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I promised myself that I would not reply back in this thread again as I'm truly not interested in continuing this he said/she said contest about something that happened 3 years ago...BUT...there is one comment in your last post that I just can't ignore...

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your ongoing attempts to discredit me and my company...with no consideration to the possible outcome or effects to the person on the receiving end.


Let me remind you that I did not use your name or the name of your company in my earlier post. I specifically left your name out of it for exactly the reasons that you described on the premise that maybe you were just having a bad day when you came out to look at our house.

Why you felt the need to jump into this thread with both feet is beyond me. Perhaps you simply have a guilty conscience about some of your services or perhaps you're just used to having angry customers and feeling like you need to defend yourself. I honestly don't know nor do I care to speculate at this point but I would suggest that you've probably done more harm than good for your company by opening this can of worms.

At the end of the day, our point of view is quite simply. You provided us with a service that we were not happy with. Should we have complained at the time? Probably. But we didn't. Instead, we tried to be polite, paid you for your time and let you go on your merry way.

That's also what I plan to do with this thread now - let it go and move on to something else. I'll close with some simple advice from one of my previous posts on this subject...

http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=24146

mt_42 wrote:
Long story, short...Go with an inspector that does this for a living, has more than a couple years of experience and can show you some sort of proof that they know what they're doing. Most importantly, ask around and check for references before you hire someone.


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