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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:11 pm 
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What about the new payment amounts that hydro is going to? How does that effect you?

I can't read your brochure very well - do you have a hi-res version?


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http://www.sunnypower.ca/

Copied this from my browser.

I believe you have a comma in your link above that does allow the connection to your site.

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PS: what type of equipment are you providing?

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do you offer 10kw systems?


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Doesn't the residential contract at 0.82 cents state that it has to be a 10kw system? I thought I read that somewhere...

EDIT: 10kw of less... found it... For a $40K investment, 5% return doesn't seem that great.

What are the maintenance costs of a system? How long do the batteries last? are the normal wear and tear items? What's the standard warranty?

I've been thinking about one of these for a while - this info would be helpful.


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Sunny Power wrote:
Good to see that there is some interest in solar power here!
Yes, Deep, you're right, you get a rate of 80.2 cents for systems of UP TO 10 kW, so smaller ones still get the same rate.
And the 5% return is on our example, where you have to pay 4% for the mortgage you're taking the money from. If you are able to invest the 40K WITHOUT having to take on a loan, then your return all of a sudden goes up to somewhere around 15%, I guess that sounds better, no?

The maintenance costs are actually not that high, considering the solar modules are practically maintenance free and normally come with a 25 year manufacturer's warranty. The only part that (most likely) will NOT LAST through the whole 20year term of your contract with Hydro is the inverter. They normally have a lifetime of around 10years, meaning you have to replace them once or even twice during the 20years. To be prepared for that, we normally recommend to put a relatively small amount aside per month, in our example for the 5kW System it's roughly $16 per month.

Now for even better news: You don't need any batteries for our systems! They are GRID-CONNECTED solar systems, which means that you feed the power from the solar panels into the Hydro-grid and get paid for that. This is a cost-advantage, because normally the batteries are a very expensive part of the overall system.

Hopefully our answers help you and you come closer to a decision regarding a solar system!


This wouldn't be the place to drop $40K, sorry. You're better off investing that elsewhere and letting this pay for itself.

So if it's grid connected - are you feeding the meter back and then taking what you need? IE not using what you generate?

What was the cost of a 10kW system?


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Sunny Power wrote:
I think to invest 40k into Solar with a ROI of 15% is pretty good.My bank wouldnt even give me 3%.

For the Solar you get a seperate meter.
You wanna feed everything to the grid because you get paid 80 cent/kwh.
You still buy your own power,paying maybe 8 or 10 cent/kwh.
After the 20 year contract is finished you can use the solar installation to feed your own house.Then you still have 5 years warranty left on your modules.And in 20 years from now,hydro will be probably 5 or 10 times more as what it is now.
A 10KW system would be 75k.We charge 7500$/KW.


Actually it's more like 13-14% return onthe $37.5K - but were nit-picking here. This means I'd need my investment to return about 8-9% elsewhere, plus the 5% return on the borrowed $37.5K. 8-9% is very doable in many venues.

anyhoo - this isn't a financial discussion! Let's talk power...

So the total hardware warranty is 25 years. The inverter is obviously not covered under that warranty - are there any other parts that aren't? If there is a problem, do I need to pay labour to replace the warrantied part? How much labour warranty do I get from you? How prone are these panels to breaking or cracking due to our lovely winters?

Is there a reason why you wouldn't recommend a 10kW system over the 5kW? The direction of my house would put the panels in the back of my house, which is good, as I wouldn't want these in the front. Someone in my neighbourhood put them on the front and it's really not the prettiest thing to look at.

What about things that happen like if I need a roof replacement? What's the cost to have to guys come out, remove the panels and put them back up afterwards?

Lastly - how do you mount them? IE are the screws, etc used proper such that they won't create a roof leak issue? any warranties or guarantees on that?

Sorry - lots of questions, but these are all the things I've been thinking...


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Excellent - thanks for the info.

As for the roof - it's a 3 year old house with no issues, however, I expect in the next 10-15 years I would need to have it replaced, which is why I ask.

Do you have a rough ball park to take it down and put it back? Just rough, more curiosity then anything else.


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So what's that cost?


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It's a 2500 sqft house - I have measured it, but I think I might - how many panels is that? The neighbour has 12-13 panels up on his roof and he has the same model home.

As for the cost - it's not at all easy for me to figure out - 3 guys x 6 days at what rate? Minimum wage? I somehow doubt it'll be that low... I have no idea what these guys get paid.


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Sunny Power wrote:
Deep,
in this case the square-footage of the house doesn't matter that much, it's only the area on your roof that's facing south that matters!
For a 5kW installation you are already looking at 22 panels, so a 10kW system is double!
Like I said, the real costs I can probably give to you at a later point. And you're right, it's for sure not minimum wage. As a starting point, take whatever hourly rate the guy charges that installs the dish on your roof, that should be a comparable technician.


22 Panels? How big are you panels? The panels on my neighbour's roof are quite large - the look to be probably about 6ft x 3ft or so wide...


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Yea, if I need 22 panels to make some money, this isn't going to work... I'll ask him to see what he has. I don't know him, he lives on the street over, but he seems to be the owner of

http://www.simpleenergysolutions.biz/


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Another question...

Is the 80.2 cents/kwh rate (or more if taking into consideration inflation) guaranteed over the next 20-25 years? Will the government always be offering a higher rate for solar technologies?


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S M wrote:
Another question...

Is the 80.2 cents/kwh rate (or more if taking into consideration inflation) guaranteed over the next 20-25 years? Will the government always be offering a higher rate for solar technologies?


you get a 20 year contract with the government for the 80.2 cents...


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Have you heard about the OPA changing the rates from the ~0.82 to a lower value if "you" are "leasing" to buy and not purchasing the system outright?

Something to look into.

Tim


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http://www.miltonhydro.com/main.php?section=fit

This link lays out all the steps.

Milton Hydro also charges $400 to install the meter for the generator in urban Milton. A $5.25 per month customer charge applies as well.


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