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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:15 am 
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Rocco wrote:
I am entitled to my opinion and I moved to Milton to aviod this exact situation. Not to generalize but what I do not like is that there is no pride of ownership. In regards to the 10 people living in a house, I assume that is because you can not afford a house by yourself. Well I worked hard to afford to buy a nice house in a nice neighborhood....on my own. An by pride of ownership I mean the numerous cars parked on the street and the uncut grass and just the lack of care put into the house.

This was not meant to be a big deal but you East Indian have choosen this path......this is exactly what I am talking/worried about. You belive that everyone owes you something and that Canada is just a free ticket. If you are not happy here because of the "lack of work" then why not stop sponsoring your friends/family members if its so terrible?
Do them a favour. FYI there is NO lack of work just lazy people, with excuses!


Well said and I'll stand behind you on this one too Rocco :D
NO LACK OF WORK JUST LAZY PEOPLE :wink:

We've worked hard too to buy our house, 2 cars and new boat and keep our property clean and tidy :D

Cheers,
Gman


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:46 am 
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Catherine B. wrote:
Oh stop with your sanctimonious bull-crap.

Good for you that you were able to save your money to buy your house. We were fortunate to be able to do so as well.

But not everyone is as fortunate as we are.

Yes, there is an abundance of work out there. Have you recently tried to find work? It isn't as easy as you think. You are making gross assumptions about something you quite obviously know nothing about!

People who are doctors in their home countries when they come here, the Government says their qualifications aren't good enough. SO they cannot work in their field, and are forced to take a job below their skill set just so they can live. Most jobs require so-called Canadian Experience, but tell me how an immigrant can get that 'canadian experience' when people like you won't give them a decent job?

Have you ever been to a settlement agency? homeless shelter? poverty centres???

When you can barely afford to buy bus tickets to get to work so you can afford to pay outrageous rent prices and then still eat, then maybe you will understand why there are 10 people in one home.

As far as bringing friends over - immigration does NOT allow you to sponsor friends. And a new immigrant has every right to bring over their families, why should they not?

I'd love to know what generation Canadian you all are.

If immigrants weren't able to sponsor families, my mom never would have been able to come over. But because she is from Belfast does that make it any better in your books?????

I am not even a minority and I am appauled by your words. As someone in an interracial relationship with someone whose parents fought long and hard for what they have worked for here, I am completely disgusted with you as a person.


Catherine B. wrote:
People who are doctors in their home countries when they come here, the Government says their qualifications aren't good enough.


Not true. It is the College of Physicians of Ontario (think of it as the doctor's union) that says it. And they don't make it easy for Doctors for out of province either.


Catherine B. wrote:
So they cannot work in their field, and are forced to take a job below their skill set just so they can live.


If someone has it that hard here but still decides to remain, it means that back in their own country is even worst, otherwise they would not stay. However, the truth is, most of them do stay because welfare is real sweet and doing a job on the side for cash allows them to continue receiving welfare, GST rebate and the maximum Canada Child tax benefit. Believe me, they make almost 50k a year by just doping that. And this is a fact.

Catherine B. wrote:
Most jobs require so-called Canadian Experience, but tell me how an immigrant can get that 'Canadian experience' when people like you won't give them a decent job?


My experience tells me otherwise. I see the heritage Canadian the most open-minded people, hiring mostly on merit bases. However, what me and a lot of my friends has experienced (being non visible minority emigrants) is being excluded from opportunities when the decision maker is of visible minority.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against any race or skin color, I am against any discrimination of any sort, and that includes political correctness that I consider discrimination too. But, it is a fact, that certain newcomer groups within visible minorities are trying to turn Canada into their own home country, and this is something I am willing to fight against. If someone considers this racist, than I am proud to be one.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:42 am 
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Catherine B. wrote:
People who are doctors in their home countries when they come here, the Government says their qualifications aren't good enough. SO they cannot work in their field, and are forced to take a job below their skill set just so they can live.


I know this is getting away from the main theme of this discussion, but:

While those who are doctors elsewhere but can't be so here do have my sympathies, I DO want our doctors to fit the qualifications dictated by our country's/province's medical boards. I don't care where they're coming from, whether Middle East, Europe, the U.S. or from Mars. If they cannot pass the requirements to be medical professionals here, then I don't think it's unreasonable or unfair to not allow them to practice medicine here. I wouldn't want my doctor to be qualified somewhere else with far lesser standards, and as such be allowed to practice medicine even though they are not able to meet Canadian standards.
For many professions, we can be more flexible on that, but not medically.
S.


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swright wrote:
Wow…so much to agree and disagree with and I should be working but I gotta’ weigh in on this issue. Here’s my point of view….

The influx of European immigrants was high after WWII. One of those immigrants was my grandfather, an ex-German soldier who fought in Dieppe.

At that time Canada was fresh from a war where ten's of thousands of Canadian soldiers lost their lives. Hence, my grandfather and his young family endured a lot of hatred for over 30 years. Not unlike what some minorities feel in consideration of current events.

Anyhow, during that time, he worked to buy a 3000 sq/ft house, built a cottage and sent his children to university. I would think that the majority of immigrants today want the same thing - which is good for the economy.

Those who came to Canada in the 50's and 60' didn't have the social support we all see from our current government. They created the support we see today through their vision and hard work. That social support is not mine to keep. My life style is a product of that support, hence I’m proud to be able share it with those who need it. It's Canadian to offer it without strings attached - unlike other countries (Cultural Mosaic vs Melting Pot).

Though I agree that we must maintain Canadian culture, I also understand that it will evolve, much like any language has. We need immigration to keep our country strong but we also need to keep with those values that built this country. Therein lies the rub – where do we find the balance?

By the way, the more my grandfather’s environment became anti-German, the more German he became – perhaps there is a lesson to be learned from this.


I fully agree.

What I don't like (trying to be polite) is ethnic groups (regardless of their origin or skin color) trying to change Canad to match the country they left.

I also agree that the social support offered to newcomers is very pisitive for the future of Canada, there are groups that are taking advantage of it. And what's worst is that there are politicians that not only protect thenm but would shutt-off on label anybody who dares to say something about it.

It might be a shock to some people but there were (and probably still are) people that are actually fighting against Canadian troups in Afganistan while their families collect welfare here.


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