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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:10 pm 
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for fun get me down to $1450 a month on the payment calculator from TD. it doesnt even add up on the lowest variable they have. http://www.tdcanadatrust.com/docs/mortC ... ulator.jsp



Wow, I was able to get to your magic number Dabills:

Highlight Summary for: Option 1 Option 2 For a 25 year mortgage for $300,000.00 at the rate of 3.00%, your Bi-Weekly payment is $711.32
Mortgage Amortization


Amortization Schedule
Total Principal and Interest Payment for Term: $92,471.60

Total Principal Repayment for Term: $51,385.86

Total Interest Cost for Term: $41,085.74

Balance at End of Term: $248,614.14




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Option 1 Option 2
For a 25 year mortgage for $300,000.00 at the rate of 3.00%, your Bi-Weekly payment is $711.32. For a 25 year mortgage for $300,000.00 at the rate of 3.60%, your Bi-Weekly payment is $756.85.

Total Principal and Interest Payment for Term: $92,471.60 $98,390.50
Total Principal Repayment for Term: $51,385.86 $49,255.73
Total Interest Cost for Term: $41,085.74 $49,134.77
Balance at End of Term: $248,614.14 $250,744.27

If you question the rate of 3%, it was actually an option on the calculator.

If you were actualy having a discussion, it wouldnt be you always telling people that their opinion was wrong. Sure you post insightfull links to articles that prove teh point that you are trying to make, however, you call someone a troll for having a different opinion (with taht being said, I think f is just as bad, he is taking this just as personally as you are.
If you really think about it, for the most part, 70 pages long on this topic is rediculious, wouldnt you agree....if you were really having a discussion with people that were like minded, why dont you just PM them with your links as opposed to trolling and encouraging f and a few others to voice their dissention on the topic.

You pointed out that the topic and post had been dormant for a period of a week or so and then someone (who want you) posted a message. From going back to the history of this post, it was a question of when would housing decline 10% with everyone haveing their crystal ball out and pretending that they are the arm chair economist. Every one has opinion, hoever, not everyone has to continually be a douche and say nah, I dont see it that way, my silly leprechan relatives that I feel sorry for, my other portugese and greek relatives who really messed up, remindes me of what happened in another country...etc... Well guess, what, the topic has gone from the 10% guess to HELOC, leveraging debt, the state of the canadian economy and everything else inbetween.

What it comes down to, is you egg people on, while people like DTC and OlSkool seem to have a discussion and let things roll off of them instead of having to call someone out and try to prove a personal vendetta.

Some of your posts are just links to articles that you think others may think are interesting....if you really have no vested interest in the topic, PM it to them ans save us from another 70 pages of people trying to be the expert on predicting housing prices.

I agree that young people shouldnt take out a 400K mortgage with 7% down, but guess what, just because you say they shouldnt, they still will....and I can guarantee that you will have to respond to this post to try to get the last word in......and f....give it a rest.......they love you on here because you get soo mad.
mad? are you crazy? that something like a discussion thread will aggravate me? i will give it a rest when im good and ready, if you dont like my responses or that of others, screw off. no one asked for your holy opinion at any point, your the one that seems annoyed at the thread.


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There is no consensus on what the final percent decline will be which is why I only said they believe that it would start this year.
You meantioned in a recent post that Royal Lepage is saying housing prices will start declining this year? Where did you see that?

The recent July 7th item from Royal Lepage I saw all talked about stabilization, moderation, etc.. So far in quarters 1 & 2 they stated between 3.5 to 7.5 % increases (depending on home type) and royal lepage said in quarters 3 and 4 things will moderate but still end the year with an overall increase of 7.7% average.. Repeat..in last 2 quarters of the year Role Lepage is still predicting house prices to go UP not down.

So where do you see Royal Lepage saying that there will be a decline in house prices starting this year? Just curious where they said that.

p.s. I'm not arguing that house prices won't decrease sometime in the future, just that your stating Royal Lepage has come out saying there will be a decline in prices starting in 2011 and I didn't see them say that ? I might have missed something, can you show me the link where they say decline starting in 2011 ?


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Ol Skool wrote:
From Royal: We believe we are past the period of peak house price appreciation.”[/i]

Royal Le Page is parsing there words carefully. They've gone out of there way to say that pricing has peaked but they don't actually say it will negative in any quarter,


Actually, you're reading it wrong.
They haven't said that at ALL.
If we are past the period of "peak house price appreciation", that means the YOY growth % peak is behind us. Is does NOT mean the prices themselves have hit their peak.
This means we won't see increases of 8, 10, 12% anymore, as THAT percentage peak is behind us. Growth will be more moderate, but not at the peak of 12% YOY anymore.

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Dabills wrote:
(no offense Fred).

lol none taken! I know how my industry is seen - I've said it time and time again... we're behind ambulance chasers and used car salesmen, but not by much. People's concerns need to be addressed instead of swept under the rug.


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http://www.thestar.com/news/article/102 ... -cent?bn=1

Good! Take care/assimilate/integrate/educate or whatever else you want to call it of the ones that are already here and stop mindlessly bringing people in based on some hypothetical/theoretical calculation!


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Dabills wrote:
yes batman, its at 67%.

not a surprise? shouldnt our equity rise as the assets gain value?


So if it's a percentage does that mean the $ value is actually more?

So since prices are higher, people actually have a much higher $ value of equity in their homes, even if the percentage is lower?

So

80% of a $100,000 house = $80,000 in equity.
60% of a $400,000 house = $240,000 in equity.

Is that what you are trying to say?

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Can someone please make this STOP!!!!!! I am soooooo done with seeing this thread.... it should have been axed merely on the fact that the OP can't spell.....the group who post on this can get together for a round of golf and be done with it once and for all....jmo... :roll:


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Maybe this is an odd question, but which prices are we waiting for this 10% deline?

I mean my house has already gone up well over 10% of the original price in the past 3 years. Is the value of it going to deline 10% from it's price before the delining starts or 10% deline from original value? Just wondering because one deline is a lot more hurty then the the other deline.

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Batman wrote:
Your house will be worthless anyway and Milton will end up looking like the Baltimore ghettos, so just relax and don't worry about it.


I'm not worried. I just want to type 'delined' a bunch of times.


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Here is another reason why we will see house prices decline by 10% in the GTA very soon:

http://www.thestar.com/business/article ... eport?bn=1

Toronto’s economy tops amongst 25 Canadian cities: CIBC report

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Toronto’s robust activity during the economic activity has outpaced the national average by a wide margin, he said.

“Key here is Toronto’s vibrant labour market. During the first quarter of the year, overall employment in the city rose by just under two per cent with many of these jobs being relatively high quality jobs. More than 80 per cent of the increase in employment over the past quarter was in full-time positions.”

Meanwhile, the local real estate market remains one of the hottest in the country, with housing starts nearly doubled from the same period last year. Population growth in the city is also among the highest in Canada.

The rate of consumer bankruptcy in the city is on a downward trend and is among the lowest in the country.

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Dabills wrote:
i had mine listed at 345K i dropped it after 4 days to 340K because i got no offers.


Wow, now you would probably get 410k only a year or two later.

Left all that money on the table. But I'm sure you've already used your house equity to invest and have already made more than 70k easily in the past year or two whilst renting for next to nothing.

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Ol Skool wrote:
You have yet to chime in even though I've asked numerous times for agents too. But prices are already coming down in Milton with homes above $700,000 and seeing pressure on $600,000 and even above $500,000.


I have yet to chime in? I've actually been posting on this topic since page 2, and most of the time, we agree on the fundamentals:

http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/ ... c&start=25

http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/ ... &start=150

http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/ ... &start=573

I have also posted in other threads about how I feel the majority of homes will be fine although I think the high end market in places like Oakville might be at higher risk of a slight pullback.

I stand by posts from this year and last year in several threads, that promote financial responsibility, reasonable borrowing, and that it is impossible to have a crystal ball to predict the exact details (when and how much) of the next decline. Markets rise and fall, but nobody, even so-called EXPERTS can predict the exact timing and amounts of these shifts.

Yes there are seasonal rises and falls, but the KEY will be spring 2012 - if we see our normal activity and moderate increases, they we're in good shape overall.

Who will be affected the most? The people that have JUST entered the market for the first time, put 5% down on a home that they've maxed themselves out on, and tragedy strikes, including family emergency and job loss, and they believed their bank that told them they are actually richer than they think... No, we're not ;)

Even THEN, Milton is still the place to be for a LOT of people, so even the people in the WORST situations can easily sell and get out without any massive impact on their lifestyle - nothing worse than what a student or car loan might do...

Should people worry about an imminent drastic decline? no!
Should people plan their spending and debt load accordingly in the event of a decline at any given time? Absolutely. That's responsible investing in ANY market, RE included.


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i had mine listed at 345K i dropped it after 4 days to 340K because i got no offers.


Wow, now you would probably get 410k only a year or two later.


No, his? $350, 355 at best.

He didn't leave money on the table. He met his investment goals, and got out when he hit his goal. Nothing wrong with that.

When I buy stocks and aim for a 10% target, I sell at 10% growth. I could care less if it goes to 15%, because I met my investment goal and have moved onto the next thing.


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I wasn't the agent! I wouldn't drop anything after 4 days lol


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I still don't know what question you're asking that I'm not answering... Let me try hehe

People saw what some homes were selling for during a time of peak demand, and they got greedy with their own pricing when they listed. That's my take on it. A basic Tothburgh on a normal lot with no major upgrades is simply NOT a 700k house, not by far, nor was it ever.

Just because one or two people may have overpaid for a couple of homes during a peak rush, and others don't, does not indicate a price drop. It was a very brief spike caused by massive demand, which is now back to where it should be... buyers are still out there and still paying good money, but aren't exactly banging down the doors anymore, which is actually a GOOD thing for the market.

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