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Joan

I think Mike meant after 3pm on Thursday. All the reports and agendas for council meetings(next one on Monday Jan 30th) come out the Thursday before. I'd check the town website on Thursday.

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[quote="Milton_Geer"]Joan

I think Mike meant after 3pm on Thursday. All the reports and agendas for council meetings(next one on Monday Jan 30th) come out the Thursday before. I'd check the town website on Thursday.[/quote]

Thanks for the info. Just wondering if reports and agendas shouldn't be available to the public and to Council earlier than Thursday at 3:00 p.m. This timeline gives the public and Council a very short time to read, "digest" and respond to issues. If you want to appear before council to make a submission you have one business day plus Monday by 10:00 a.m. to register for a presentation. Perhaps having the agenda and reports available on Tuesday instead of Thursday might be a more realistic timeline. Any chance of this happening?

Hi Joan

Unfortunately not. Staff prepare the agendas on Thursday mornings and the agenda with the background reports are available on Thursday afternoons for both the public and councillor to read.

During previous terms councillors received their agenda bundles on Friday evenings making for even less time to review them.

Understand that staff still have some details to iron out with the Pan-Am committee as well.

You can see upcoming reports at www.milton.ca under the Town Hall heading and click on Mayor and council for upcoming reports for the next six weeks.

Mike and I are getting the materials ready this afternoon for the meeting and we will be seeing the information the same time as everyone else.

Colin Best
Local & regional councillor
Wards 2,3,4,5 North of Derry road.
Milton/Halton

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Colin and other Councillors

The website has not yet been updated to show 2012 for Agendas reports etc. Perhaps you would let staff know.

Thanks

Martin

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Uh-huh!

Colin

Schedule A to the report which is the all important business plan is not attached - is it somewhere else on the website?

Martin

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This link should work for the full report on the velodrome including the business plan.

http://www.milton.ca/MeetingDocuments/C ... odrome.pdf

Let me know if it works mike@mikecluett.ca

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FYI there is also an appendix to the business plan (Called Milestone 20005-001-12 Velodrome Part II at --> http://www.milton.ca/MeetingDocuments/C ... t%20II.pdf

Thanks Mike,
Just a little light lunch-time reading .

What does this mean for Milton?

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/112 ... games?bn=1

Its time for councillors to put aside their cheerleader pom-poms and get serious. The latest staff report has added a lot of bulk but doesn’t solve some major issues that would be deal-breakers anywhere else. Issues, as noted by Anthony, such as zoning, campus approval, Laurier funding, and Legacy funding. And that is before questioning the cost/benefit estimates.

The report calls the velodrome project an “honour”. That is a doubtful “honour” when Milton was the only candidate, but perhaps for staff and council it is. I see it as council rolling the dice with taxpayer money at very poor odds.

[quote="garlis"]Its time for councillors to put aside their cheerleader pom-poms and get serious. The latest staff report has added a lot of bulk but doesn’t solve some major issues that would be deal-breakers anywhere else. Issues, as noted by Anthony, such as zoning, campus approval, Laurier funding, and Legacy funding. And that is before questioning the cost/benefit estimates.

The report calls the velodrome project an “honour”. That is a doubtful “honour” when Milton was the only candidate, but perhaps for staff and council it is. I see it as council rolling the dice with taxpayer money at very poor odds.[/quote]

Hamilton has indicated that they have found private funds and could host the Velodrome, but the Pan Am People, for some unkown reason, perhaps they are offended by Hamilton Council not approving the Velodrome initially, are snubbing their request to build the Velodrome. The location of the Velodrome in Hamilton makes a lot of sense, since they aleady have the track and field, volleyball, and soccer venues.

AREN'T COSTS OVER $40M FOR THE VELODROME?
Council has stated that costs are not to exceed $40M. The local share will be 44% of $40m = 17.6M
Then Town Saff has added an additional 2.2M for Site Servicing. Isn't Site Servicing part of the building costs for the Vel. ?
When $2.2M for Site Servicing is added to the $17.6M, you get $19.8M. This translates to 44% of $45M.
Haven't costs exceeded the ceiling of $40M which Council put on this Velodrome project?

I love the way you dismiss a 440 page report as being a lot of "bulk" yet do not provide a single piece of real data to dismiss the project. The Sierra Planning and Management findings and assumptions were reviewed, challenged and sometimes changed by town staff. (page 12 of 440) What specific assumptions are you challenging? Do you have different figures and if so what support do you have for your figures versus the assumption(s) in the business plan? What cost/benefit estimates do you disagree with? Why?

Campus approval/Laurier funding. There is a contingency plan. See schedule D, page 96 of 440.

Legacy Funding. Will be between $300k-$700k annually. Exact amount to be finalized with committee. Page 5 of 440.

The only issue I can see from the business plan that may kill the project is the zoning issue on pages 8 and 9 of 440. My understanding is the town will not proceed unless they can secure zoning approvals with certainty. This involves other parties (I assume other levels of government) so I would be very surprised if these other parties do not pull through to provide the zoning certainty required.

I say councillors, leave your nipple tassels on! Or is that pom-poms. If you don't root for our community, who will?

Joan,
See Page 159 of 440 on the pdf report
$17.6 million is 44% of $40 million building cost
+$2.2 million for land and site servicing cost (Milton is 100% responsible)
=$19.8 million total "Milton" contribution
So the building is still $40 million, the land and site servicing are extra.

$17.6 million "Milton" contribution for Velodrome only
+$22.4 million from Federal Government (page 115 of 440)
=$40 million total for building
+$2.2 million land and site servicing
=$42.2 million for building plus land and site servicing

The $19.8 "Milton" contribution is broken down on page 159 of 440. The Town of Milton's contribution remains at $3.8 million whether we build a $3.8 million facility or a $40 million Velodrome as the remaining $16 million comes from private sponsors, etc.