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Obviously there is different viewpoints on this matter being expressed here but lets not detract from conversation with continued name-calling & insults, thanks.

Prompt response from Colin B as usual.

Hey, my street was a quiet dead-end until the development around us was finished. It was great. But we knew we bought that the street would connect to LSL, which would become a major thoroughfare and and exit and entrance to the subdivision. So our street is busier now. Lots of kids, straight stretch. Croft is the same. You bought in a feeder street. What do you expect? The fact its taken over a decade to connect it - well, that's a different problem. Not an excuse to demand the structure of the subdivision plan be changed. We've seen enough of that crap. I'm not talking about YOUR problems on Derry. One of the advantages of where you are is you get to avoid most of the crap. I was thinking more of the people who have to commute down Derry from the central or west areas of town. Traffic gets stupid quite rapidly west of Trudeau. Thankfully I get to avoid that most days but I get that enough.

When I talk isolation I mean not that it takes you 2 minutes to drive to Trudeau and Derry. And really, what's there? Not much other than Rabba which is a glorified convenience store. There's been no walkable/bikeable connection to shopping (which isn't going to change with this subdivision addition), no decent walk-able connection to schools (thinking Bruce Trail and St Anthony here) You pretty much have to drive anywhere. The connection to Croft isn't going to improve things much but at least Bruce Trail and St Anthony become walkable and you get more direct access to the parks in the Clark neighbourhood and with the pedestrian bridge going across the tracks you get better access to the leisure center, Lion's sports park, Bishop Redding and even shopping at the Superstore Plaza (a bit of a hike but closer than the Metro). The area stops being a little island off on its own from that respect.

Croft shouldn't be a feeder street. The problem is the new design.

4th should be re-opened on both sides, and the problem, magically, disappears. NO ONE will need to speed through the residential streets to get to the 401.

Instead, people WILL BE speeding through here to get to the 401 in the morning, because it will be significantly faster than going to Thompson and Main or Thompson and Derry.

And the reason we are told is that some residents who live on 4th complained. There's perhaps 20-30 houses on 4th line on the north side of Derry.

So, the Town of Milton has decided that the complaints of those 20-30 residents is more important than the safety of the entire subdivision.

That's brilliant.

If you follow this link you'll see that once Mattamy gets to building the sute opposite of Tiffany land the CH and JSP will be connected.
http://www.milton.ca/MeetingDocuments/C ... son%20.pdf

Thanks Mr.Collin for your prompt reply and help in finding out the status of TIffany PArk home building permit.
I will contact you via eamil for further communication about my lot.
I really appriciate that you always being very helpful in providing information promptly.

Good to know that Town of Milton may reopen the access from 4th line to Derry.

Feel free to start a thread regarding the above but please post it on the Upgrades/Decor Centre section of the forum, thanks. If you want - you can start it here on a new thread so people see it & then I will transfer it to the proper section & leave a note here so people will know where to find it.

The thing is that Upgrades section is under "Mattamy" section.
It kind of doesn't make sense to create thread over there as we are not part of Mattamy, some TP owners might not even look there.
The forum sections should be updated a long time ago, as this not a "Mattamy City" it's Milton with various builders, even though Mattamy is dominating.

Your absolutely right, the section is titled Mattamy so could get lost in the shuffle.
I'll talk to Rick to see if we can change it from Mattamy to encompass all builders but totally up to him. In the meanwhile start the thread on this forum & we'll leave it here depending on what Rick says.

Sounds great, thanks.

Freeman Trail? Let’s be fair, your street is nothing like Croft is currently is or what Croft is proposed to be.

Yeah your street connects to LSL, but it’s short, and all around you are other roads to get people out of your subdivision that aren’t on your street. Deacon leads to the Mall. Bennet leads out to the mall and feeds to Thompson and is part of Ferguson that connects to LSL and goes right through the subdivision.

You’re also close to Kennedy Circle; another option to get in and out.

In short: no one breathed a major sigh of relief when your street opened up to LSL as the area is well serviced.

Croft is not only the only east/west way in and out of that subdivision in phase 1, but now it’s about to become a feeder street for a second subdivision as well. His street is being billed as an alternative to Derry Rd. That sucks!

You do see the difference there right?

I know we’re not likely to see the town/region change their mind on the absolutely horrible decision to close Fourth Line as that would be an admission of a mistake. But route hero, and everyone that lives near him, absolutely have a legitimate beef with what’s going on up there.

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Of course I understand the difference, also why I would not have bought a house on Clark in my area, or Ferguson. But I also know Croft has been planned that way since before the original subdivision was built which was more my point. I don't have sympathy who bought on Croft because they didn't do their research to know where they bought was designed as a feeder (Now I'll also admit the sketches for Bristol survey suck but it clearly shows Laurier going all the way through the James Snow along with what is Trudeau. It's not rocket science to look at a map and know that Croft and Laurier are aligned for connection.

http://www.milton.ca/en/build/resources ... edules.pdf

Closure of 4th line at the tracks when the JSP underpass was opened makes sense. I don't have a problem with that at all. It encourages more people to use JSP as it's designed. 4th line as a left in, right out intersection would be fine.

freemantrailfamily...please forgive those of us who are fulltime employed first-time homebuyers that didn't have 15 hours per day to dedicate "researching" our new neighbourhood. I guess being a stay-at-home mother is beneficial and not just to the local Starbucks.

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Not to mention the plans for the town were on their website back in 1999 (because I remember looking at them before we moved) and were available in all of 5 minutes.

Ouch.

A better way to word that might be: Not everyone thinks of the need to pull up official town plan documents before they buy a house, as they, falsely, assume that the town planners will design their future home with intuitive design that does not include closing and bypassing existing arteries.

also Starbucks.

just sayin.

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MP...I prefer the way I wrote it but urs is ok too.

SD...so go to work.

The condescending way Mrs. Freemantrailfamily worded her statement deserved my response. We're not talking about whether or not Tim Horton's is coming to LSL + JSP, we're talking about a massive increase in traffic right thru our neighbourhood.

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