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Oh it's cute that SD deleted her statement.

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Some people are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

The plan was in the sales offices alongside the subdivision layouts. No, I don't expect most people to dig into official plan documents the way I have but so many people don't look past the subdivision layouts before they buy to understand what the longer term planning is that might affect them. So much more critical when you're buying on street like Croft that obviously will connect to SOMETHING in the future. It wasn't hard to figure out that something was a Laurier extension.

That's a super cool story. But I find it highly unlikely that any first time home buyers, particularly young ones (such as myself), would ever think to do that.

Why should I think that suddenly roads where street parking is normal will suddenly become a major thoroughfare for the 401?

It's a bad design. Someone will get hurt.

I deleted it cause I knew it would be wasted on you - so whatever.

Do you work at Bomabarier or Pratt Pete?
What else do you think that designated collector road is? And it's one neighbourhood (Clark), it's just been built over 15 years ass-backwards. Sorry, that one definitely falls into buyer beware. It's the same as Clark Blvd across the length of the Beaty neighbourhood.

I bought in that neighbourhood and that's where I live. It was our first home. Was the real estate agent supposed to tell me? Were the previous owners supposed to tell me? How the hell were we supposed to know this was going to happen? We knew that that whole area was going to eventually be developed but we didn't know our one-lane streets would become major thoroughfares.

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Some people are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Cah'mon. You can't argue in defense of this one! Even you, lover of all things Milton Council.

It's not one neighborhood. It's got a natural boundary running right through it. 4th Line.

On the south side Clark does go all the way through, but it goes through providing you options to get in and out. It's not just Clark feeding multiple neighborhoods.

Also, while it's smart to know as much as about your new home as possible, you'd have to be horribly cynical to have to pull up town plans to see how bad the mistakes are going to be.

I can still remember back when I first moved in and I was on my way to Canadian Tire and first saw the notice of the impending closure. I was shocked. Complete disbelief and emailed Brian Penman as soon as I got home.

Of all the things to check before buying, worrying that the town would close that road was so far off my radar that it was completely off my radar.

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Never had an issue with u...u seem to be a nice lady...but u have NO say in this topic...u don't even live in Milton.

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Some people are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

A good real-estate agent should have been able to tell you what the development plans were for the area, or at the very least been able to point you to where to find that info and let you know you should check into it (I've seen Chuck Charlton do that many times on his videos talking about different areas). Croft, Trudeau and Waldie are the same width. The fact that Croft even has the median at 4th line is a flag (probably also helped traffic control when 4th was still open and everyone and their dog from that area used it to access the James Snow interchange).

Martin, not sure what we're arguing here. I completely agree the closure of 4th line at Derry didn't make sense. A repeat of the bad council decision in that area to forgoe installation of the multi-use paths on Trudeau because residents complained they didn't know about them and didn't want to loose driveway space! 4th line North of Derry they had to close to complete James Snow Parkway and open the underpass. I wouldn't want a level crossing to a Y-intersection at a James Snow, which is what you're get if both ends were open. That's just dumb.

The Clark neigbourhood definitely has it's problems starting from the phasing plans that had the same neighbourhood constructed over 20 years, 4th line closure, the James Snow bend (though I get that eventually it's supposed to go all the way down and connect to Nassagawaya Blvd in Oakville the diversion east is still weird and just tells me the intersection at James Snow and the 401 is in the wrong place for what the eventual plans ended up being) the whole Trudeau circle thing (although once Trudeau and Laurier/Croft goes all the way through that might actually serve the neihgbourhood well for traffic calming), the multi-use path debacle on Trudeau, that someone approved creating McGuaig where it is instead of connecting it to Child's Drive so there would be one less light on Thompson. But it definitely needs the collector road completed through the James Snow. It's already more constrained than other areas in terms of access because of the rail line on the north end, limiting access points to major feeder roads on the east (Thompson), west (James Snow) and South (Derry).

The neighbourhood definitions BTW are on page 2 of the community connections map.
http://milton.ca/en/live/resources/Comm ... ns_Map.pdf

The "traffic circle" is but another gem of this part of town. It doesn't calm traffic because people park on either sides of the curb.

You will then have smart people driving the wrong way around the traffic circle. I am not making this up. A perfect example of this is the guy who lives on the corner of Waldie and Trudeau (driveway exiting on the circle), who frequently takes a shortcut the wrong way down the circle to exit to Waldie quicker.

Yeah, more traffic makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, I've seen people do that "short cut" and I don't even get up that was all that often. Part of why I think the concept was dubious. When the Laurier/Croft connection is complete, and the Trudeau extension to JSP is done it *may* eventually change habits out of necessity but we'll see, and probably will need a good chunk of enforcement in the short term to change mindsets. If I was doing it I'd bulldoze the whole section and start over and chalk it up to mass stupidity and a huge learning curve.

I am a nice lady but you pushed my button with the SAHM comment.

True I don't live in Milton but I can have an opinion. Nothing ticks me off more then builders not being transparent with official site plans. We've bought new a few times & hate the way the city's official site plans are always hidden in the corner. Seems to me that both the people already living in the area and the ones waiting for their homes to be built are being treated unfairly. Hopefully the homes can be built in a timely manner and the traffic issues that will result can be decreased with some modifications. Even if present homeowners had been aware of these upcoming traffic changes it doesn't mean that their safety concerns now that it's a reality shouldn't be addressed. Until an area is built up it's hard to see what the traffic concerns of the residents may turn out to be.

I also think it would be a good idea if homeowners when purchasing from builders had to also be given a copy of the official city site plan with their agreement. Realistically alot of new homeowners are only going to see the builders fantasy site plan & model so I don't think it's too much to ask. Builders are notorious for not being above board. In the past even when we've asked to see the site plan some sales people have acted like they hadn't a clue what we were asking for.

I moved from Montreal to Toronto. Then from Toronto to Milton. I used a Toronto-based real estate agent. This is our first home. We didn't know that we should have used a Milton-based real estate agent and somehow I doubt that even the most highly regarded real estate agents in Milton would have pointed out this pending cluster-fakk.

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Some people are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

I have lived in Milton since 2005 and first bought a townhouse in that area you talk about. I did not look at the city plan for developing but I did drive through the area to see the potential of development. Coming from Mississauga where I lived for 20 years you know any area can be developed. So I assumed Milton was next. When it was time to move to my "forever" home I looked at the area, got the city plans because I was adamant I wanted to know what was coming and growing in my area. Long story short, too much growth too fast is scary but as a potential buyer for a home do your homework. Go look a the plans for the city, talk to other builders in the area and then make your decision. I am not saying don't get upset, everyone has a right to feel but really look before buying. It will save you so much in the long run. I am so happy with our area and my forever home. I think Milton needs to slow the growth down to accommodate the need for more schools but that is another issue.

I got the confirmation from Town of Milton that my Tiffany Park homes wiht some other houses has been approved and ready for Delivery. Builder's representative has to go in person to pay the fee and collect the permit from the city. When I asked from the builder's one of the staff, she said my permit will not be ready by end of July before my decor appointmnet. ridiculous.