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There is a big difference between saying that the planning that caused the kids to be on that street was flawed and saying that I would like them to be relocated for my convenience... although based on the merits of your argument that point probably wooshed over your head faster than the concorde. And of course the secondary point that perhaps the timing of the creation of the new road and the closing of the old, considering the only alternative, Thompson, was also experiencing problems, could have been better managed as well means nothing to you, because OMFG, THINK OF THE CHILDREN. You really are a master debater! And as if you didn't have enough of a big gun with that, you also brought out the whole "I'm happy so shhhhh". My god, how can you argue with that? If the center of the universe thinks everything is perfect, it must be... especially since he used *gasp* a ROLLEYES! That's even more argument-winning than invoking Hitler! Way to go!

As far as the planning problems the town has being old news, have you bothered to look at the composition of both the council and the support staff in the department at present and four years ago? Pretty high correlation, isn't it? And did you happen to notice that planning was a pretty important issue during the last election? (Or was election coverage just a big wall of text with no pictures too?) You see, that means that the same drivers that prompted a design which burdens everyone in the city are the same drivers that will be making future roadway decisions. That means if road planning is being designed with specific, unspecified objectives like "we want to discourage vehicle traffic and encourage people to take public transit by increasing road density" then discussing the unsuitability of it in a community in which a lot of the commuting still does not match the Go line is quite appropriate.

Robi - that's a good point, and good planning from that side down... my question is why does this town, when it comes to the town core, design so many cockeyed, crooked core roads? Look at highway 25, which officially comes down from the highway, then follows steeles, and then continues south... in a straight line from there. Or you could follow it down to Main Street at which point you have a dead end, although that's less important since it is not being used as an artery. Why is it that the commute is great if you're going down to Oakville, but terrible if you're trying to get to the 401, when the 401 is one of the primary highways used by Milton commuters? It's one thing if it's a factor of the local geography like Guelph Line, but that doesn't seem to apply to most of the town proper, which is paved over farmland.

BTW Jason, I find it extremely hilarious that the person who, when having his own complaint ignored by his dog-owning neighbor said:

"This person has proven to be completely naive and ignorant when it comes to his neighbours. Has proven by telling me to F$%K OFF that he isn't someone capable of an educated and mature conversation to find a resolution. "

and then comes over here to thread-crap without contributing anything. Way to lead by example!

It irks me when people say my opinion is wrong....It's my opinion, I'm allowed to have it and you're allowed to disagree with it. However, saying someone's opinion is wrong and your's is the only one that is right is simply childish. I don't think less of you for your opinion, I just think less of you when you act childish about something that others don't agree with you on. Maybe we missed the big picture and it's great that JSP will connect eventually to the 407, etc. I'm just saying they could have planned ahead better and left 4th line open till JSP was ready at Derry. If you're a good parent, you won't let your kids play on the street anyway. Oh well, it's all for nothing now...like I said, what's done is done and I'm looking forward to JSP being open in a few months.

Jason, you really are not only a dick, but a moron. It's real simple, 4th line is done, I didn't ask about how to change 4th line, I asked about why it was planned that way, got my answer from Colin, thanked him, and moved on. Then you piped up quoting the old message and bringing it up again. Now, if you're sick of hearing about it, you could have either just, oh, STFU, or clarified at that point that it had been discussed and maybe do something useful like point to where it had been discussed, like most polite people manage to do. I only replied, politely I should add, to clarify what I was asking to you since YOU were the one posting, and again, you come back with the insults.

It's hilarious that you think you are debating anything, I'd suggest looking up the definition of a debate, but that's in a book with lots of text so I know you won't bother. And since you obviously have nothing to contribute but your own whining, which according to you is whining about whining, any further discussion with you is less than useless. Bye now.

I think the pot is calling the kettle black...wake up and smell the coffee!

(I know I shouldn't even get involved but couldn't resist the blatently obvious.)