HawthorneVillager.com

Hawthorne Village (Milton) Discussion Board
It is currently Thu Jun 11, 2026 1:36 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 42 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:24 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:55 pm
Posts: 5278
Location: 4th line / St Laurent
Hmm...

Interesting topic. Things to keep in mind:

1) The height of most commercial vertical wind turbines with noise issues can be anywhere from 150-500 feet high.
These horizontal ones being proposed are being maxed out below 30 feet. (which is roughly the height of the roof peaks on our houses.) My guess is they will be quieter than an ice cream truck, or my own air conditioner even. Will be interesting to find out.

2) Location - Apart from the folks in the Santa Maria section, this piece of land has the fewest homes in close proximity compared to almost every other viable spot on Derry, Thompson, or any of out main roads. Ideally, nobody would be impacted, and hopefully due to #1 above, this will hold true.

3) As others have said, it's still just a MOU. Those that have an issue with it need to get involved and voice their concerns - beyond this forum :)
Let's not just ask Zeesh, Rick, Mike and the gang to speak up on our behalf, we know they will, but if you truly believe in or against something, show up and speak up! That's the beauty of this country.

Kiddan... i LOVE your posts on this one!! well done! lol +1 Karma for the entertaining anger!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:57 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:46 am
Posts: 4498
Location: Tothburg, Winter Cres.
Roxy wrote:
Can someone look into who owns this company?

Example, someone they went to highschool with is a councillor in Milton, so he approaches them and they come up with a scheme to get Milton to pay for the units.

Milton paying 100% sounds fishy. Especially when they were approached.
If there were such a conflict then councillors would say so at the start of the council meeting. When the meeting starts there is a portion where councillors speak up if they have conflicts of that nature.

I currently don't see anything fishy at this stage...

...but maybe when I go home and put on my tin foil hat my viewpoint may change <jk> :wink:

_________________
Visit my Blog | Twitter | or Facebook page


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:02 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:55 pm
Posts: 5278
Location: 4th line / St Laurent
From the minutes of the Sustainable Pickering Advisory Committee earlier this year: (Looks like they have installed ONE so far..) and Pickering was considering Two-West as well.
Perhaps if you're curious, somebody can contact "Tom Melymuk, Director, Office of Sustainability" in Pickering to see what progress they made in the past 5 months... or Doug Dickerson, councilor ddickerson@cityofpickering.com


A unit is installed in Gore Bay, Ontario. In Mississauga there
is a sale pending with a car dealership.
The Town of Milton is looking into purchasing units for their
sports centres.

They are currently working on a secondary version of the
unit for bus shelters that already have solar roofs.

T. Moore noted that the units would need to be regulated
through building codes because there could be problems with
zoning under the Green Energy Act. The City (or Pickering) currently has
many restrictions on commercial signage and would need to
have signage amendments.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:16 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:57 am
Posts: 2204
I was fine with the cluster-f*ck that the Town is creating in HVE under the name of "intensification" but now it is coming too close to home (apartments in HV) so this was more of a case of misdirected anger I must admit...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:32 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:46 am
Posts: 4498
Location: Tothburg, Winter Cres.
I submitted my request last week to give a delegation speech on this and just received acceptance today. So I will be speaking in front of council on this issue tonight. Scroll down and you can see a copy of my speech. Based on the posts on this thread I also canvassed some of the homes near the sports centre. The same concern about possible noise that was raised here by some people was also repeated by residents I spoke to.

There's an also interesting new addition. At 11:15 AM this morning I got an email from the town saying they are amending the Report/Memorandum and adding in the text "pursuant to the hosting of an Open House to discuss the proposed pilot installation" :wink: So someone's apparently listening.

Quote:
Delegate submission

Contact Information:
Name: Rick Di Lorenzo
Street: 1162 Winter Cres
Council Meeting Details: June 28th
Issue: MOU on wind turbine pilot at Milton Sports Centre.

I support the continued efforts of the Town and Milton Hydro to study and make use of wind, solar or geothermal power where it's economically feasible to do so. However I have a concern that the MOU does not mention possible noise pollution from the turbines. Though my own research I did find some possible citations that mention vertical wind turbines may have a lower noise signature than conventional horizontal wind turbines. But I'd still like to know that any possible noise pollution is addressed at an early stage as there are residential homes close by.

Some additional questions I have are;
(1) Are the banners meant to be electrical/digital or fixed? From the digital image on schedule B it looked non-electronic but I wasn't sure
(2) Is power generated by the turbines meant to be returned to the grid or used by the Sports Centre
(3) Is there anyway this can be structured to take advantage of the provincial MicroFIT program? (assuming that if so it would have increased financial benefits)
(4) What range of power (broad question, not looking for exact number) might be generated by these 2 turbines?

Thank you for considering these questions as well as the critical issue of ensuring that noise generation will not be detrimental to nearby residents.

I applaud the town and Milton Hydro's continued efforts on looking for ways that solar, wind or geothermal energy can be utilized in an economical manner within Milton.

Action: Answers to my concerns.
Updating the MOU in relation to noise pollution if the answer on noise is vague or unsure.
Representing: Myself
Report #: COMS-009-10
In support: Friendly support of staff recommendation as long as noise levels are ensured to not affect nearby residents.

_________________
Visit my Blog | Twitter | or Facebook page


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:34 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:46 am
Posts: 4498
Location: Tothburg, Winter Cres.
See post http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/ ... 616#224616 in relation to answers received yesterday to my previously posted questions on this.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:57 am
Posts: 2204
What about the Benjamins? How many are we on the hook for and what does the risk/revenue equation look like?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:51 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:46 am
Posts: 4498
Location: Tothburg, Winter Cres.
Kiddan wrote:
What about the Benjamins? How many are we on the hook for and what does the risk/revenue equation look like?
Milton Hydro wasn't there to answer those questions (they're the ones paying for it). But they will be there at the Public Open House to answer questions (don't have a date yet on when that will be)

_________________
Visit my Blog | Twitter | or Facebook page


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:57 am
Posts: 2204
RCK10 wrote:
Kiddan wrote:
What about the Benjamins? How many are we on the hook for and what does the risk/revenue equation look like?


I'd pay more for a pair of shoes if they were made here and the workers making them were paid a decent wage instead of being made in a sweat shop that exploits people. Shouldn't we make similar concessions as a society to reduce our impact on the environment? Or does the environment have to be a commodity before we assign more value to it?

(Sincere question, not a shot... internet voices always sound so aggressive!)


Have you read the Memo about this issue?!?!? The Town (Milton Hydro) wants to foot 100% of the cost for this project and in return they are happy with 15% of the revenue.

Are you one of the guys who drives a Toyota Prius cuz you want to show how environmentally conscious you are and yet you can pay $15K less to buy a Toyota Yaris and get pretty damn close to the mileage claims of these hybrids...

I am all for this Go Green stuff but only if it makes sense, fiscally....


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:46 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:46 am
Posts: 4498
Location: Tothburg, Winter Cres.
Kiddan wrote:
Have you read the Memo about this issue?!?!? The Town (Milton Hydro) wants to foot 100% of the cost for this project and in return they are happy with 15% of the revenue.

I think you have it a bit backwards still.

(1) Milton Hydro pays 100% Cost
(2) Town of Milton gets 15% Revenue
(3) Milton Hydro gets the remainder of the revenue

So town pays 0% but gets 15%
Milton Hydro pays 100% but gets 85%

_________________
Visit my Blog | Twitter | or Facebook page


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:57 am
Posts: 2204
RCK10 wrote:
Kiddan wrote:
RCK10 wrote:
Kiddan wrote:
What about the Benjamins? How many are we on the hook for and what does the risk/revenue equation look like?


I'd pay more for a pair of shoes if they were made here and the workers making them were paid a decent wage instead of being made in a sweat shop that exploits people. Shouldn't we make similar concessions as a society to reduce our impact on the environment? Or does the environment have to be a commodity before we assign more value to it?

(Sincere question, not a shot... internet voices always sound so aggressive!)


Have you read the Memo about this issue?!?!? The Town (Milton Hydro) wants to foot 100% of the cost for this project and in return they are happy with 15% of the revenue.

Are you one of the guys who drives a Toyota Prius cuz you want to show how environmentally conscious you are and yet you can pay $15K less to buy a Toyota Yaris and get pretty damn close to the mileage claims of these hybrids...

I am all for this Go Green stuff but only if it makes sense, fiscally....


I get the impression that you intended your internet voice to be aggressive...

No, I don't drive a prius and that would have nothing to do with what is being discussed. What you just did is an attempt at an ad hominem attack... attack the messenger to discredit their message. Moving along.

So, you're all for Go Green stuff so long as it doesn't cause economic harm. In other words, you DO want to save the environment, but only if it doesn't cost more than harming the environment.

I think a pilot project like this is very valuable and I'd be more than happy even if my tax dollars were used to pay for it. Because I care about the environment, not my image. I'm not going to say we should bankrupt ourselves, but the cost of not adopting technologies like this is much greater.


My friend, you need to grow a thicker skin you want to hang around on this forum :)...........just kidding

This green stuff has been an "industry" and quite profitable I must add so we should tread carefully and do our homework......that's all I am saying...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:18 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:57 am
Posts: 2204
Rick Di Lorenzo wrote:
Milton Hydro pays 100% but gets 85%


AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Why didn't you mention that on the first post and I could have spared the forum some of my french. Are you sure about this? I still don't trust the fools, they might give some of the revenue back to the vendor... :idea:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 42 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.020s | 12 Queries | GZIP : Off ]