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I think I may have posted this, but give this a read. Its very interesting. Although, I would also admit that watching all 3 would be great to watch, Eclipse makes some valid points. LeBron's image would downgrade.

No matter what, I forsee that the marriage between Dwayne and Chris will only last 2 years.


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Finally, LeBron James' moment is here. Forty-three years ago, we had the Summer of Love; now we have the Summer of Self-Love. James has had his eyes on this summer for the last two winters. It is, as he wants it, primarily about him. And with that comes this free-agency period's irony:
If LeBron James' ego is really that big, he will (unintentionally) do what is best for the league.
There has been talk, for several weeks, about a King-DWade-CB4 troika in Miami. (That's LeBron James-Dwyane Wade-Chris Bosh to their mothers.) They can do this. They have a right to do it. Miami has the salary-cap space --assuming Wade re-signs -- to get LeBron and Bosh if one agrees to accept less or work out a complicated sign-and-trade. The trio could create the greatest team of all time -- probably not next year, but three years from now, after Miami uses its draft picks and various cap exceptions to fill in the rest of the picture.
They could dominate the league. And that would be awful. It would be like choosing sides on the playground and giving one team the first three picks. It would be like giving your cousin every pick in the first round of your fantasy league.
This is not how sports are supposed to work, and it is really not how the NBA is supposed to work. The league is set up so its best players play against each other, not with each other, every spring.
Arranging a superteam would be the easiest path to a championship for LeBron, but it would not be the best path. In fact, it would backfire on him.
Here are LeBron's stated goals, as far as I can tell:
1. Win championships.

2. Become the best player ever

3. Become a billionaire.

4. Purchase a small country, so he has somewhere to go on vacation after he purchases a large country.

5. Become a "global icon," because come on, how awesome would that look on a business card?


LEBRON JAMES
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Don't call him; he won't call you, either
James could achieve No. 1 (win championships) on a superteam. But he could not achieve No. 2: becoming the best player ever. Michael Jordan's legacy is not that he won six championships in Chicago. Heck, Robert Horry won more titles than Jordan. No, what made Jordan so admired is that when the Bulls drafted him, they were a dead franchise. If they had sent a limo to pick him up at the draft, it would have been a hearse. Jordan, through the sheer force of his talent and will, made the Bulls the most successful organization in sports. We saw him score 63 points against the Celtics in the playoffs and lose. We saw him get knocked down, literally and figuratively, by the Pistons. And we saw how much it meant to him when he finally won, in 1991 -- and how, from then on, he seemed unbeatable.

(Jordan eventually came out of retirement to play for the Wizards, of course, but that's not relevant to the discussion. By then, the public had already accepted -- rightly or wrongly -- that Bulls management had forced Jordan into an early retirement.)

And this is why James cannot achieve that whole global icon thing on a superteam. Like James, Jordan chased every off-court dollar. The man made a movie with Bugs Bunny. But fans always believed that Jordan's desire to win came first -- and Jordan seemed to understand that was essential to his mass appeal. He never would have bolted for another team to make his championship path easier, because that would have been a cop-out. Jordan's ego was too big for cop-outs. He was too competitive.

James sometimes seems more worried about becoming a billionaire than about winning championships. But if he is smart, he will realize that becoming a global icon depends on his image, and his image depends on winning -- and, just as importantly, how he wins.

And if he wins somewhere other than Cleveland, it won't be the same.
If James leaves Cleveland, he'll lose fans he can never get back. He will forever be the guy who ditched his long-suffering hometown to chase easier championships, money or fame. And that's a pretty good way for him to ensure that he won't get as much money or fame as he'd like.
James leaving would be unlike anything we've seen in sports. Shaquille O'Neal left Orlando for Los Angeles, but a) Orlando was not Shaq's hometown; b) Orlando was not the longest-suffering big sports city in America, like Cleveland is; and c) Shaq was not yet the dominant force in his sport. (Jordan was.)

Free agency is a big ego-stroke for James right now. Everybody loves him, because everybody thinks they have a shot at him. But once he picks a team, that ends. And that's when the backlash could begin.
If James goes to Miami, he risks always being A-Rod to Dwyane Wade's Jeter. Wade, like Derek Jeter, is a likable, future Hall of Famer who brought his fans a championship. James is more talented than Wade, just as Alex Rodriguez is more talented than Jeter. But James, like A-Rod, could be viewed as the cold, corporate mercenary who is simply using his employer to advance his own interests.

If James goes to Chicago, he'd surely win multiple championships: A core of James, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and either Carlos Boozer or Bosh would be the best in the league. But he would never be better than the second-most popular player in franchise history. And since the Bulls have tortured Cleveland fans as much as any team in sports, except maybe the Steelers, James would look like he doesn't care at all about his hometown sports fans. Cleveland would instantly loathe him. And by extension, much of America would lose respect for him.

If you live in Sacramento or New Orleans or Iowa, who would you rather cheer for: LeBron James, who turned his back on his hometown to chase fame and titles in Chicago, or Kevin Durant, who sounds like he wants to stay in little Oklahoma City and build something special there?
If James goes to the Knicks or Nets, he'll face a different version of the same problem: He'll look like he sold out. James loves New York, but much of the country does not. The A-Rod comparison resonates there, too: When Rodriguez became a Yankee, he became easy to hate.
The Cavaliers have done a lousy job building around James for the past seven years. They have not acquired one credible sidekick for him -- no Scottie Pippen, no Pau Gasol, no Manu Ginobili. If James leaves, I won't have much sympathy for the Cavs.

But I'd have plenty of sympathy for Cleveland fans. And I suspect most of the country would, too. LeBron James would be an enemy in his hometown and viewed suspiciously everywhere else. He has been pointing to this summer for at least two years. But James should remember this about free agency: As soon as he signs a contract, he signs over a good chunk of his power. People will look at where he goes and make judgments on who he is. He should think long and hard about what he wants them to see.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... z0t1ZHbinD[/url]


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:41 pm 
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It is, as he wants it, primarily about him


That there is an understatement! Just heard today that not only is LeBron going to grace us with his decision today, but it's going to be an hour long!! WTF??!!! Why the hell does there need to be an hour long show about LeBron and where he chooses to go!!?? Man professional sports has gone down the shitter!! I shouldn't be surprised I know, but I couldnt' help but swear out loud when I heard this little 'stroke my ego', 'look at me' tidbit! :roll:


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take it for what it's worth (Hoopsworld), but there is a report of a Calderon for Boris Diaw deal, as well as the Raps TPE for Chandler.

Loving this deal also if it goes through! (mostly for cap reasons)

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http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16779


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It's actually going down like this for Barbosa and Diaw.

The Suns are on the verge of acquiring forwards Hedo Turkoglu and Josh Childress, swiftly rebounding from the loss of Amar'e Stoudemire with two impact players. The Suns would send seven-year veteran guard Leandro Barbosa and late-season addition Dwayne Jones to Toronto for Turkoglu, a 6-foot-10 forward from Turkey with versatile skills to shoot from long range and be a playmaker. Toronto would then move Jones and its trade exception from the Chris Bosh sign-and-trade deal to Charlotte for former Suns forward Boris Diaw.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm


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Yaseen wrote:
The Suns are on the verge of acquiring forwards Hedo Turkoglu...


I'm all for dumping Hedo, but am also preparing for Raps' fans to scream, "Why didn't he play this great for us?" Because I expect a big year from him playing with Steve Nash.


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Eclipse wrote:
Because I expect a big year from him playing with Steve Nash.


There were some elements to his downplay, but you have to admit, when you have a great PG in any team, (Paul, Nash, Parker, Kidd), he makes any Forward (Chandler, Stoudemire, Duncan, Nowitzki) have an impact year.

What we need is an all-star point guard.


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getting closer to confirmation that Hedo AND Calderon are getting shipped off....wow, didn't think it would be possible to pawn off those two, never mind in one trade :)

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

It's all one deal and it's bye bye Turk and Jose

Bryan Colangelo is at it again.
In a complex transaction that’s still not finalized, the Raptors are shipping out Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and one other piece not yet confirmed and getting back Leandro Barbosa of the Phoenix Suns, Boris Diaw and possibly Tyson Chandler from the Charlotte Bobcats.

League sources could not confirm the final pieces Monday morning but the Raptors will not have to touch the $14.5 million trade exception acquired last week in the Chris Bosh sign-and-trade transaction.

Colangelo originally drafted Barbosa with the Suns and has long been a fan of Diaw, a multi-purpose forward who can play a couple of positions. Chandler, who is in the last year of his contract, gives the Raptors another long athletic big man.

Turkoglu is destined for Phoenix, Calderon is headed to Charlotte and the league sources were unsure who the third piece leaving Toronto is and where he’s going.

The financial gains are significant.

Barbosa has two years and $14.7 million left on his current contract; Diaw has two years and $18 million remaining and Chandler will be paid $13.1 million this coming season.

Turkoglu still had four years and about $40 million left on his deal and Calderon has three years and almost $30 million left to go.

We'll get more as the day progresses.[/url]


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munchito wrote:
In a complex transaction that’s still not finalized, the Raptors are shipping out Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and one other piece not yet confirmed and getting back Leandro Barbosa of the Phoenix Suns, Boris Diaw and possibly Tyson Chandler from the Charlotte Bobcats.


Love the Barbosa move, am so-so on Diaw and love Chandler.

We need a legit C, and if this works out, I think the playoffs aren't out of the question:

STARTERS:

C - Chandler
PF - Bargnani
SF - DeRozan (or whomever wins the spot)
SG - Barbosa
PG - Jack

You've got Diaw, Amir, Sonny, Davis, Belinelli, Alabi, Banks, Evans and Joey Dorsey on the bench.

No threat to the powerhouses, but not terrible and a lot of youth to build around.

Though personally, I'd much rather not be in contention for the #8 spot so that Chandler and his expiring deal could fetch a pick or young player, or for Diaw, Banks or Evans if they can show something this year.

Another pick or two, plus our own if it's a high lottery selection might work out nicely for the future, rather than being the first carcass the Heat, Magic, etc. leave on their way to the Finals.


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I think one of the biggest points in all of this is that apparently the TPE does not get touched in this transaction. This, along with all the bigs being collected is telling me there are more moves to be made....maybe BC goes after a big time point guard? That seems to be the one thing we really need at this point: a REAL playmaker.

Chris Paul/Collison/Rubio anybody? :D


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I totally agree! We need an all-star/superstar point guard. I think we deserve that.

This is what I see the Raptors rotation may look like...for now ;)

PG- Jack/Banks
SG- Barbosa/DeRozan/Belinelli
SF- Diaw/Kleiza/Weems
PF- Bargnani/Davis/Evans
C- Chandler/Johnson/Alabi


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Eclipse wrote:
(...the stuff that you wrote, without re-pasting the whole thing...)


bang on! Although I don't think BC is quite done.
I think we need to shuffle around some of these big men and pick up a natural scorer for the 2 spot.
Barbosa is a great acquisition, but not for 35+ minutes a game as a starter. Remember, he was 6th man of the year once before, and I think he can be a great sparkplug once again!

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Yaseen wrote:
SF- Diaw/Kleiza/Weems


Oh yeah, completely forgot about Kleiza!

Anyhow, Bobcats trade is dead. Air Jordan has had a change of heart and has quashed the deal.

He's the Greatest player of all time, but he's a complete joke as an exec. The players were already informed. Chandler already did an interview saying he was excited. Evans tweeted thank-yous to Toronto and the fans and organization.

If this deal doesn't get revived, how awkward is it going to be for the players involved? They know they can be traded at any time, but now they know for a fact their team didn't want them and had a trade all lined up.

Jordan the player is a Basketball God, but as an exec, even Rob Babcock has to be laughing at him. What a tool!


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Delonte West to Boston.
Too bad he won't be playing the season opener due to the 10 game punishment over handgun possession.


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