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It will cycle like it always has. Right now we are going through maximum pain. There is only so much pain people can handle. Eventually hoarding leads to selling. It might not happen tomorrow but it will.
And right now governments are stockpiling gold. At some point they have to sell.

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Will gold prices surge to $2000 or crash to $800?
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By David Lew
The rally in gold has spurred a commodities boom. Some big commodities investors like Jim Rogers are laughing all the way to banks, for they must have minted millions out of the investments they made in commodities years back. Gold, indeed, is the main driver of the commodities boom these days that investors like Rogers are enjoying.

But how long will this boom continue? Where is gold price headed? The upward rally in gold has prompted most bullion analysts to predict that the yellow metal prices will cross past the magical $1150 per ounce mark. Some say it will surge to $2000 by 2010. They include Jim Rogers who is insisting that gold is set to touch $2000 soon, though the erudite investor Rogers is not willing to put in money in gold at this high price.

So what is behind this big rally in gold prices? Around this time last year, gold prices were hovering at $ 800-plus per ounce. Those who had invested in gold at that time have made a clean profit of $ 350 per ounce of the precious metal. Lots of money, indeed, if you had bought few ounces of gold.

But how far is this gold boom going to last. To be frank, I feel the gold boom is artificially made, to a large extent, by clever bullion traders and speculators at several commodity exchanges across world led by the US Comex, who are selling gold contracts these days frantically to make lots of money.

One argument for the surge in gold prices is that the US dollar value has been plunging thanks to the collapse of several banks in America and the great ‘economic depression’ that have hit the world’s wealthiest and powerful nation. But US being the largest gold holder, the value of the yellow metal going up has increased the valuation of US reserves.

Another argument for the big rise in gold price is the fact that central banks across the world are frantically buying gold reserves in an attempt to get rid of US assets held in dollars. Is it a correct strategy for the central banks? India’s Reserve Bank of India (RBI) surprised the bullion world early this month by buying 200 tonnes of gold from the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Here is a note on central banks buying gold that was published in Commodity Online last week:

While it may be true that some central banks may show interest in adding gold as a part of their reserves, it is important to look at the whole picture, said Matthias Detremmerie, director and precious metals analyst at Goldessential.com. The central banks that are touted as buying candidates are mostly limited to emerging countries such as China, Brazil
and Sri Lanka. Even India falls under this denominator.Detremmerie added that there were two important consequences. One is that these emerging nations are not likely to cause a paradigm shift in the global gold-as-reserve picture over the longer term. Whereas 200 tonnes may sound as quite a lot, it is actually limited in terms of global official gold holdings, which are estimated to be around 30,000 tonnes. A shift in the whole picture is also unlikely due to the second reason, being that mature central banks - and thereby currently the largest official holders of gold - are likely not to significantly increase their reserve exposure to gold, he said.

Currently, most of the world's official gold holdings are situated in the U.S. (approx 8,133 tonnes), the Euro-zone (10,800 tonnes) and the IMF (roughly 3,000 tonnes, after subtracting the recent 200 tonnes sale to India's Reserve Bank.). Certainly, the U.S. and Europe have been hit the hardest by the financial crisis. Both are left with budget imbalances for many years to come following the financial aid to the ailing economy, Detremmerie added.

Therefore, it seems viable that some of Europe's central banks - which can act separately on gold sales under the limitations of the Central Bank Gold Agreement -, are going to look for opportunities to fill the gaps. There's good evidence that central banks are well aware that gold could be nearing a cyclical high, and that it could be profitable to unload some of it, as it is what any sensible investor wants to do; buy at the bottom, sell at the top. Even for central banks, gold implies a wanted profit-post on balance sheets.

Now that everyone is talking about gold at $200 per ounce, the people who are struggling with the yellow metal are those who want to buy gold jewellery ornaments. For instance, in countries like India where buying gold ornaments is a must social custom, the high gold price has turned out to be a big blow to parents.

In fact, the high gold price has led to a plunge in gold jewellery sales and gold demand in countries like India and China, two of the largest consumers of the yellow metal in the world.

Check out the report on gold from the World Gold Council here:

According to World Gold Council (WGC), total identifiable gold demand for the third quarter 2009 reached 800.3 tonnes, or US$24.7 billion in dollar terms, up 15% from the second quarter, as gold's long-term store of value and wealth preservation qualities continued to attract investors and consumers. Jewellery and investment demand in non-western markets rebound from the very low levels seen in the first quarter, while industrial demand started to recover in response to an improvement in economic conditions.

However, the Q3'09 Gold Demand Trends Report, released today by the WGC, shows a 34% drop on year earlier levels due to an exceptionally strong Q3'08, which saw soaring demand in response to the deepening global financial crisis and as many non-western markets responded to a dip in the gold price in that quarter. To address this, WGC compared Q3'09 against the five year Q3 demand average to 2007, which showed tonnage down just 4% on this basis.

Everyone knows that high gold price will further dent the jewellery market across the world, as it will be tough for people to buy gold ornaments.

2008 was the year of credit bubbles, in the United States and rest of the world. Will 2010 be an year of bullion bubble? Will gold price, instead of going up to $2000 per ounce as predicted by Jim Rogers, plunge to $800? Some bullion analysts believe and insist that gold prices will fall, that too drastically.

It is not a doom scenario for gold because gold at $800 per ounce is also good money, says one such bullion analyst Marc Robinson. “Gold prices cannot go up like this without any reasonable bullion fundamentals. Gold price is on a bubble. It can burst any day, any time. In fact, the most realistic gold price is $800 per ounce,” says Robinson.

So should we wait for $2000 gold or $800 gold? Will gold crash to $800 or surge to $2000? Remember the crash of 1978-79 when gold, crude oil and diamond prices went up and suddenly crashed down.


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Is it relevant? Who really keeps a balance...


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Kiddan wrote:
Is it relevant? Who really keeps a balance...

:lol: Man, you would be surprised...


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OL SKOOL Think about it, I give you a credit card and charge you 59% Interest.

Do you really think they are paying these loans period. That's all it is. The only people who take theses credit cards are people not going to pay you BACK!

And you call them STUPID.

THINK ABOUT IT. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME FRETTING ABOUT THIS. GO ON TO YOUR HAMBURGER SHOP BUSINESS AND LEAVE THIS TO THE FINANCIAL SAVVY PEOPLE.


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Ol Skool wrote:
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OL SKOOL Think about it, I give you a credit card and charge you 59% Interest.

Do you really think they are paying these loans period. That's all it is. The only people who take theses credit cards are people not going to pay you BACK!

And you call them STUPID.

THINK ABOUT IT. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME FRETTING ABOUT THIS. GO ON TO YOUR HAMBURGER SHOP BUSINESS AND LEAVE THIS TO THE FINANCIAL SAVVY PEOPLE.


You're right. What do the banks care. They've already been bailed out after bad behaviour before. Privatize the profits. Socialize the losses is the new mantra of the Republic. Were NINJA loans ever going to be paid back? How did that work out for the banks? O ya, $700 billion dollar bailout and $13 trillion dollar backstop for future losses.

At the end of the day it is the bank that is offering this credit card and the public that has a choice of whether to accept it or not. Nobody is getting forced here outside of desparation as I said. So yes, in this case the public is still the stupid ones. Whether the loans go bad or they keep up with the interest payments, it's win win for the bank.

Lastly, what happened to all that credit card reform that was passed?

You can't really call anyone who applies for one of these cards 'stupid', nor can you say that no one is going to pay them back at all. Every situation is a little different. While I do agree that there are some people that are irresponsible with credit, and have no control, there are many people out there with bad credit that are responsible, and have just gone through a tough period. It is these people that these cards are most suitable for.

Everyone's situation is a little different. Just because someone has bad credit, doesn't meant they are a dead beat. Maybe they went through a messy divorce, or maybe they had a failed business venture, or maybe they were scammed. There are many different situations, so you can't generalize. Many people with bad credit have a reasonable explanation for it. The people that you are describing are the ones who don't.

59.9% does sound like a ridiculous interest rate (they actually played around with 79.9%), but the limit is only $300. If a cardholder maxed it out, then the maximum interest they would pay is $15 per month if they carried the full balance. It is nothing that is going to get out of control. These cards are intended, and are good for people who are serious about rebuilding their credit. I talk to people every day with bad credit, for all sorts of reasons, and many of these people are serious about getting it rebuilt. Everyone deserves a second chance, and these cards are a great way to help them get back on track.

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Most of these people do not need new credit cards that get into trouble they need help to address the poor choices they have made financially. As a trained counsellor (criminal justice, addictions) I previously have worked with many people who cannot manage their finances due to addictions to gambling, substance abuse& or poor relationship choices. Many quite frankly are also dealing with mental health issues and lack of life skills plus low mentally functioning.

I remember one client in particular who went wiith his family to consolidate a loan they couldn't afford and came home with smaller payments. He was excited because they also were given a new set amount credit card and because their loan was made larger they had a few hundred dollars extra cash to blow. It was sad really because all they could see was the small picture where they now had extra cash and smaller payments. They had no comprehension that they were now into further debt at steep interest rate and would be right back consolidating again down the road and never debt free.

This way of living becomes a cycle where you see many generations of families susceptible and thinking it's the norm to be in debt over their heads.


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Negative Home Equity Surges, Weighing on Housing Recovery
CNBC.com | February 09, 2011 | 12:02 AM EST
The number of borrowers who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth took a huge leap in the fourth quarter of 2010. A full 27 percent of borrowers are now “underwater” on their mortgages, up from 23 percent in the previous quarter, according to a new report from Zillow. Foreclosure moratoriums and falling home prices are to blame.

Adding to a slew of negative reports on home prices, Zillow found home values posted their largest quarter-over-quarter decline, 2.6 percent, since the beginning of 2009.  The home buyer tax credit, which inflated home prices artificially in the first half of the year, resulted in a Fall hangover. Home prices plunged 5.9 percent compared to the fourth quarter of 2009.

With foreclosure moratoriums in place due to charges of faulty paperwork at some of the nation’s largest mortgage servicers, many homes with underwater mortgages that should have been repossessed by lenders were not, and instead boosted volume in the negative equity pool.  Falling prices didn’t help.

“Home value trends in the fourth quarter remained grim, but the good news is that these declines, while painful in the short-term, mean we’re getting closer to the bottom,” notes Zillow’s chief economist, Dr. Stan Humphries.

Home prices generally lag home sales, on the way up and on the way down.  Home sales have gained over the past few months, but with distressed sales, that is foreclosures or short sales, making up anywhere from 25 to 50 percent of a local market’s numbers, prices will continue to be under pressure for some time.

Negative equity is one of, if not the, primary drivers of mortgage default, but as banks ramp up repossessions, the percentage of underwater loans should fall back to previous, albeit historically high, percentages.

While local markets in Florida, California and Arizona that suffered most from the subprime mortgage collapse continue to post high negative equity rates, other less likely candidates are climbing.  Over one third of Chicago borrowers owe more than their homes are worth, and in Atlanta over half are underwater.  Denver and Minneapolis are also well over the national rate.

Negative equity not only makes it harder to sell a home, it also makes it more difficult to modify a troubled loan. Some also blame negative equity for high redefault rates on loan modifications, as some borrowers choose to walk away.


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Deeper double dip starting

U.S. mortgage rates climbed to a 10- month high, reducing affordability for homebuyers as the housing market struggles to recover from depressed levels.
The average rate for a 30-year fixed loan rose to 5.05 percent in the week ended Thursday from 4.81 percent, the fourth straight gain, Freddie Mac said. The average 15-year rate increased to 4.29 percent from 4.08 percent last week, the McLean, Virginia-based mortgage-finance company said.
"It will have a slight dampening impact on homebuying," Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist for Capital Economics Ltd. in Toronto, said in a phone interview. "Mortgage rates around 5 percent are still very low by historical standards, but these increases do seem to be putting people off."
Mortgage applications fell for the second time in three weeks, a Mortgage Bankers Association index showed Wednesday. The group's gauge of purchases decreased 1.4 percent in the week ended Feb. 4, and its refinancing measure dropped 7.7 percent.
Mortgage rates are rising along with yields on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which reached a nine-month high this week. The increase in borrowing costs from record-low levels in November may reduce demand for purchases as the market enters its key spring selling season.
Mounting foreclosures and 21 months of unemployment of at least 9 percent are reducing buyer confidence in the housing market. Home prices fell in almost half of U.S. cities in the fourth quarter, the National Association of Realtors said Thursday.
The rate for a 30-year fixed mortgage reached 4.17 percent in November, the lowest in Freddie Mac data going back three decades. The increase in borrowing costs has pushed the monthly cost for a $300,000 home loan to $1,620 from $1,462.
Rates may not have an effect on homebuying until they reach about 6 percent, said Tom Tzitzouris, head of the fixed-income department at Strategas Research Partners in New York. The current levels are a "neutral zone" where purchasers are neither pushed to buy nor discouraged from the market, he said.
"If you get another uptick again next week, you may see some movement," said Tzitzouris, who previously worked as a valuation manager for Freddie Mac and as a debt securities analyst for Washington-based mortgage-finance company Fannie Mae.


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When you say there are some people with bad credit, whom may have had some bad breaks are responsible, I will make a case in point, and Paul you are a Mortgage Agent you should know better. When you are trying to get a person a mortgage who has gone through tough times it is your responsibility to NOT try to get them into more debt but coach through responsibility and NOT put them into a position to refinance and get more credit! A lot of people refinance there credit card debt and use the house which has had appreciation as a credit card to regain more room on their credit cards to use to get more debt.

When people today cannot put down minimum 10% of their own money then they should not be owning a home. They need to learn to be responsible and disciplined to stop going out and buying all kinds of JUNK and SH___ they don't need PERIOD!

That is the Problem of society. That is why the Government has placed rules and are tightening things up, Not to protect the guy who who has little to put down but us who have been responsible and paid down our mortgage and debt and keep what we have.

Most Americans who have had responsibility and paid their debts and mortgages are paying the price today for the stupidity, Mortgage AGENTs not alone and Bank Loan officers NOT All were responsible for lending and they just turned their heads and lent you and I our money, we the shareholders knowing these people could not pay back.

You as a mortgage Agent Has the responsibility as the Professional to keep them out of trouble. And if they want to borrow money and YOU know it is not in their best interest YOU TURN THEM DOWN, FORGET COMMISSION!!

Paul You have alot to learn, your a young guy trying to make a living selling mortgages, and may be a good guy but be careful the customer can sur your ass for irresponibility.


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Since Q3 2009 USA GDP has been Positive!

To put it mildly The world largest Economic Power is on a Rise!

The land of the free! Where else in the world you can get your but kicked hit bottom and have the opportunity to get back on your feet.

This is true Democracy!!

The only thing good thing about Mumbarek resigning in Egypt, my gas prices going down and my Stocks going up. Say La Vee.

The middle east want what we have, but it will never happen. Democracy will never go there, they dont want it!!


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[quote="Ol Skool"][quote="brightway"]Since Q3 2009 USA GDP has been Positive!

Would GDP be positive without QE1 and QE2? Namely, is this organic sustainable private sector growth or the Government money printing that has been distorting the bond market, equity market, commodities, inflation, etc. etc. etc. Better yet, what do you think will happen once QE ends? Better yet, will QE ever end?

The U.S. rose to the largest economic power in the world by being a producer creditor nation, not the biggest debtor nation whose biggest export is US dollars that are continuing to lose value over the long run the more it gets printed.[/quote]

Do you understand Q1 and Q2 I don't think so!! You have no clue, your just going online looking for some idiotic charts to prove what - NOTHING! You are blowing wind a meaningless topic. It is easy to blows in this conversation

You are lucky you live besides the best country in the world. Proof in point everyone hates america but want to live there. And I like it when people hate america but happy to cross the border and buy there cheap goods and enjoy there sun in Florida.


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OL SKOOL FOX NEWS BLOG which I don't read is a propaganda news paper. I dont need input from a bunch of socialites

I am not arguing with you. I am telling you the Facts instead listening and reading about all your ridiculous comments, which have no facts.

But ol Skool I am willing to view your Net Worth Statement and Compare how well we have done and I can Bet you all the tea in AHH how about sri lanka, I am way ahead of you!!

You probably still have a MORTGAGE and Dont LIE NOW!!

YOU POST I COMMENT!!!

When you ADMIT I AM RIGHT- Which you will need to do sooner or later then I will lay off!!


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Well its time to sell.

http://www.financialpost.com/m/news/Rou ... story.html


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Time is running out for the U.S
We in canada have a few more quarters. But its coming





For investors, the phrase “bond yields rising” can sound an awful lot like “dead man walking.” After all, there’s been nothing like a rise in the cost of borrowing to kill momentum on rallying stock markets over the past few years.

Needless to say, evidence of upward pressure on bond yields in Canada and U.S. is causing growing concern and debate as equities on both sides of the border race to reach new highs.

“I’m getting very concerned about it,” says Peter Gibson, a managing director of portfolio strategy and quantitative research at CIBC World Markets. “If yields stay in their present range, I am optimistic that equities can move higher, but very quickly we are moving towards a significant turning point.”

As of Friday’s close, the 10-year U.S. treasury yield was 3.58%, a level it has traded near for much of February after a steady climb from a low of 2.5% in August. The almost 50% rise in yields since the summer has coincided with a number of factors, notably an improving U.S. economy and QE2, the U.S. Federal Reserve’s program to buy US$600-billion worth of U.S. treasuries through June.

While the very act of this second round of quantitative easing is designed to keep yields low in order to stimulate the economy, it’s implementation has helped fuel an exodus out of bonds and into equities.

Own their own, higher bond yields are negative for economic growth, raising the cost of capital to business and pressuring mortgage rates and for many analysts, a further rise in the 10-year yield to 4% would be enough to derail the current leg in the equity rally that has seen stocks rise around the world more than 85% in two years. This threshold is largely based on the experience of the past few years, including last April, when a 4% yield resulted in a 16% correction in the S&P 500.

Mr. Gibson says so-called floors and ceilings in the U.S. 10-year bond yield have been reliable indicators of the rise and fall of bond and equity prices since at least 1998 if not longer. At floors, bond prices have tumbled and stocks have rallied, while at ceilings, stocks have plummeted and bond prices have risen.

For example, he notes that the S&P 500 collapsed after hitting a 6.7% yield ceiling in 2000 and did the same again in 2007 when the ceiling of 5.2% was reached.

For now, his implied ceiling is 3.78%, just 20 basis points above today’s actual yield. If the U.S. benchmark bond yield breaches this level, he believes it will send equity markets dramatically lower or even worse, could trigger another economic crisis.

“The Fed doesn’t want to tighten like they did in 2000 and 2007 because if they do, maybe the markets fall 50% and the economy goes into another recession. But if quantitative easing doesn’t work, and I think it will, they may be forced to tighten aggressively. Because if they don’t do something, the bond market will panic, yields will rise even more rapidly and the stock and housing markets might collapse.”

Here in Canada, where the 10-year government of Canada bond yield has also jumped significantly since the fall, rising 70 basis points to roughly 3.46%, the potential consequences are presumably no less serious.

George Vasic, a strategist at UBS AG, says the level at which bond yields start to bite into stock valuations, is also near 4%. Specifically, he said the correlation between the TSX and 10-year yield is positive when it’s below 4% but negative when the bond yield reaches 4% and higher.

“Accordingly, there looks to be another 50 basis points or so where improving economic data will lift both bond yields and stock levels, after which higher yields will likely start to act as a drag on equity valuations,” he said.

Not everyone believes bond yields pose an imminent threat. Avery Shenfeld, CIBC’s chief economist, for one, believes rising yields in Canada and south of the border are simply reflect a flight away from the safety of government bonds into equities by investors who are convinced that better economic times are ahead.

With that, he says, also comes recognition from capital markets that growth will eventually lift inflation and lead to central bank tightening, but for the good news about the economy that is driving asset rotation overrides any negative impact those factors might have on earnings down the road.

“If a rotation into stocks is part of the story, it’s circular to argue that the higher yields are an equity rally killer. If faster growth is the source of increased inflation and central bank rate expectations, it’s also circular to argue that the higher yields jeopardize the expansion, at least until we are much further into a tightening cycle,” he says.

Pierre Lapointe, a global macro strategist at Brockhouse Cooper, points out the breaking point for U.S. treasury yields to negatively affect equity prices has been closer to 6%, a potential problem to worry about in 2012 and beyond.

“Historically, rising treasury bond yields have indeed been bad for stocks – but at much higher levels of interest rates,” he says.

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