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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:29 pm 
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From today's Burlington Post.

http://www.insidehalton.com/news/electi ... m-liberals

Burlington's hospital is in similar condition as Milton's with the last expansion in 1971 when Burlington was 1/3rd of its present size. Much of the hospital's systems like Milton's are at the end of their life expectancy.

The Region of Halton is asking all candidates in the October 6th election which is only 63 days away for their positions on a number of issues. Check out the attached link for the requests from the region and local municipalities.

http://webaps.halton.ca/news/mediashow. ... 9-04-17-16

If you see a provincial candidate ask them where they stand on these issues as other regional councillors and I will be asking them on as well to get the services Milton and Halton need.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:24 pm 
Hi Colin and respect for what you do, the irony is even with an expansion that I don't deem as required, people will still wait 5 hours because they have a cold, see previous thread on wait times, I don't see a larger hospital being an improvement, on the flip side I can see taxes going up.


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Great news Colin! Keep up the pressure. Those of us with any knowledge of the statistics of the hospital physical condition and severe capacity issues realize how important an issue this is! The candidates from all parties need to make a commitment to Milton.


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Hi f

I understand your concern with taxes which should not go up as you and everyone else is paying their share of health taxes now. You only have to look at the presentation made by Halton Health Care to Milton council this spring and which has been posted on previous threads to see that the existing hospital is at capacity in a number of areas and many of the services are in the critical stage past their life expectancy.

As noted before, there is many times when there is more patients than beds in critical areas such as delivery and emergency. The regional ambulance services loses an average of a 8 hour shift a week waiting to offload ambulance patients into emergency due to the lack of space and staff at the four Halton hospitals which you are paying for.

To give a better example, the hospital is running like a car with the engine temperature indicator in the red zone 99% of the time. It is time for some changes.

The Town and Region are currently reviewing the applications for water and wastewater allocation for Milton in 2011/2012 of over 3000 new homes or over a $1 BILLION in construction value. Just the provincial sales tax of 8% on that construction is over $ 80 million of new revenue to the province for health and other services and I am not including all the income taxes, gas taxes, land transfer taxes and other taxes that would associated with that construction in Milton alone. Some of that revenue could go to starting the 20 year process of expanding the hospital from Milton's current 90,000+ residents to 238,000 residents in 2031 which has been required by provincial ministries.

One of the reasons hospitals were taken off the Development Charges Act funding in 1997 was the province was to assume the costs of new hospital construction in exchange for municipalities taking over other services such as road maintenance and construction for former provincial highways such as Highway #25 and Dundas St. (Highway #5). Still waiting to see the funding for Milton though.

I will be posting more on this and other topics before the October 6th election.

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colin b. wrote:
I will be posting more on this and other topics before the October 6th election.

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I don't want to divert this thread, but is GO Transit an election issue that can be brought up?

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Hi Wyl

It is already on the list, not only for the Halton region but also the Association of Municipalities of Ontario (AMO) checklist for candidates that was released last month along with other transit related funding such as the gas tax use for transportation and Metrolinx expansion called the Big Move.

http://www.amo.on.ca/AM/Template.cfm?Se ... op_12_Asks

http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalpla ... _move.aspx

Contact your local candidates who are setting up their campaign offices now and party websites to ask them their positions and what they are going to do not only for transit but also a number of Milton related issues.

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Will the town come knocking on my door for more funding through additional taxation or levies?


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I think the communities who will be promised money for hospital expansion are strategically located in ridings where the Liberals are desperate for votes- using this logic of course Milton will likely be one of them.

The political parties can promise anything they please right now.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:44 pm 
thanks Colin, my question would be this, by expanding the hospital, are we really able to address the problems you mentioned with an expansion, emergency rooms are always full of people with colds, ad a $5 user fee as we suggested some time ago, people bend a finger and they tie up precious resources. Delivery is argueable at best as many couples, edit- females go to credit valley or where their doctor is. albeit emergencies arise and i dont think any woman will be expedited because the hospital was expanded. is there any data to support what your saying? has any woman had complications and was re routed to another hospital to give birth? its easy to say lets build an expansion that really, many folk i talk to dont deem as required. i dont buy the " no tax " answer, any politician that would suggest that worries me. with all due respect you guys have priorities wrong. milton tranist is another one, milton is a commuter town, expanding milton transit is a bigger waste of money than the hopital. i dont recall the last time i seen a bus with more than 3 people. id be more convinced if there was data to support ALL of what is being said before my tax dollars go anywhere,


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Thanks f

Agree, I have spent enough time to see those people who abuse the system and they wonder why they have to wait so long. Check the sign at the emergency desk patients are treated in priority to the severity of their injuries or illness.

Any changes in the health care system has to be done at the provincial level which is why this election is so important, as health care and long term care costs are over 50% of the provincial budget and climbing.

At the local and regional level I supported reviewing the costs and benefits of not only transit but a number of other services and made motions at the budget meetings which were approved cutting over 1/2 % of the budget. Only two councillors made motions during the budget debates to cut unneed projects and services.

I will also be holding a regional and local budget open house when the staff recommendations come out later in November to get public input before the debate begins at both councils.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:36 pm 
Fine Colin, but no politician will touch hospitals, not good for business, I still think prior to jumping on the expansion bandwagon, there needs to b more research if that's the word, agreed many issues are the provincial ,


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f wrote:
thanks Colin, my question would be this, by expanding the hospital, are we really able to address the problems you mentioned with an expansion, emergency rooms are always full of people with colds, ad a $5 user fee as we suggested some time ago, people bend a finger and they tie up precious resources. Delivery is argueable at best as many couples, edit- females go to credit valley or where their doctor is. albeit emergencies arise and i dont think any woman will be expedited because the hospital was expanded. is there any data to support what your saying? has any woman had complications and was re routed to another hospital to give birth? its easy to say lets build an expansion that really, many folk i talk to dont deem as required. i dont buy the " no tax " answer, any politician that would suggest that worries me. with all due respect you guys have priorities wrong. milton tranist is another one, milton is a commuter town, expanding milton transit is a bigger waste of money than the hopital. i dont recall the last time i seen a bus with more than 3 people. id be more convinced if there was data to support ALL of what is being said before my tax dollars go anywhere,


The data and statistics to support the expansion you are looking for f is in the presentation given by Halton Health Care that was posted in another thread on this subject that includes supporting the expansion of the OB department, as well as other areas.

As a woman who has delivered at both McMaster (child 1) and Milton (child 2) with 2 high risk pregnancies let me explain how this works. I was treated by McMaster high risk OB's with my first after being referred there by my Milton OB, whom I was referred to by my Oakville family Dr (who gave me the choice of OB's in Oakville, Mississauga or Milton). I chose close to home until my pregnancy went high risk and I needed specialized care only available at McMaster and Mount Siani. I hated delivering at McMaster with my first child because being 45 minutes away from home was a pain for my husband after baby was born and the hospital being a Regional Center for high risk babies was stressful and it showed in the staff. With my second pregnancy I went to OB's at Mount Siani until I reached 30 weeks, everything was going well and I could be "downgraded" to deliver closer to home (believe me the idea of being an hour from home at yet another regional center did not thrill me, nor did I feel it was necessary to tie up a bed that could go to someone else who really needed it for delivery!). Again I was given the choice of Mississauga, Oakville or Milton. Knowing from previous deliveries that they were pretty straightforward and uncomplicated (and fast!) I chose to be as close to home as possible with a local OB I knew and trusted. If I was prone to complications I would have chosen Oakville or Credit Valley as they are Level 2 OB units (AKA they have incubators and the ability to treat a higher degree of complications to newborns). I quizzed my local OB about what might happen if I went into premature labour and she said it would be OK to go to the nearest hospital (AKA Milton) and as required the baby would be transported to a higher level hospital "it happens all the time" in her words, but it shouldn't have to. They have equipment to stabilize and transport a newborn but not to do long term treatment (AKA no NICU with incubators and associated equipment).

The staff were great and I have no regrets delivering at Milton. But, I can tell you it gets crowded to the gills! I was glad to have fast and uncomplicated deliveries that would get me out of there in a day and a half and only needed a birthing room for a few hours. Milton's OB unit has 8 beds in total. 3 birthing suits, one room that can be used for either birthing or post-partem as I recall and 5 post-partem rooms - and they share the operating suites (2?) with general surgery to perform . Compare that with Oakville Trafalgar's Level 2 facility which in it's birthing suite has 2 triage, 6 l&d, 2 dedicated OB operating rooms, and 4 post-anesthetic recover beds, while in the maternal unit where you go after delivery with the baby has 19 beds and 6 pediatric beds (aka incubators). I don't know the fine details of Joseph Brandt but they have a level 2 nursery (incubators). Oakville, Credit Valley, Joseph Brandt and community hospitals and not designed for the growth Milton is seeing and heaven knows Obstetrics is BIG here. We have a great bunch of OB's in Milton but their capacity to deliver is limited here because of the facility. That's my experience. I understand other core departments have similar bursting at the seams capacity problems.


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f wrote:
thanks Colin, my question would be this, by expanding the hospital, are we really able to address the problems you mentioned with an expansion, emergency rooms are always full of people with colds, ad a $5 user fee as we suggested some time ago, people bend a finger and they tie up precious resources. Delivery is argueable at best as many couples, edit- females go to credit valley or where their doctor is. albeit emergencies arise and i dont think any woman will be expedited because the hospital was expanded. is there any data to support what your saying? has any woman had complications and was re routed to another hospital to give birth? its easy to say lets build an expansion that really, many folk i talk to dont deem as required. i dont buy the " no tax " answer, any politician that would suggest that worries me. with all due respect you guys have priorities wrong. milton tranist is another one, milton is a commuter town, expanding milton transit is a bigger waste of money than the hopital. i dont recall the last time i seen a bus with more than 3 people. id be more convinced if there was data to support ALL of what is being said before my tax dollars go anywhere,


I agree with you "f".

And all the GLOWING recommendations from mothers/fathers due to the birthing process at Milton Hospital is IRRELEVANT. The birth of a child is a positive, happy experience. In my opinion, my wife could have given birth under horrible conditions.

But the minute the baby arrives, all is forgotten.


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Colin,

What is a reasonable timeframe to get a hospital built? From today until the province says "we are building a hospital in Milton" how long should that take, how long WILL it take, and from that time how long until the doors open?


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Hi 2nd Line

The Halton Healthcare services presentation that Council received breaks the expansion down into 3-5 phases depending on the funding.

The first phase is minor renovations to the existing hospital to improve services and move out some office space off site to expand critical areas which could start immediately as there is a number of office locations near the hospital.

The large rear expansion for a BASIC level hospital could start in 2-3 years depending on the size and design requirements with a possible opening in 2017-18 depending on construction which could take about 2 years. Once the new wing is added at the rear of the hospital the front 1959/1967 era original hospital would be demolished to enlarge the entrance and parking areas. Later phases would depend on future funding and growth of the community.

The hospital sits on 30 acres of land which is enough to handle all of Milton's projected growth. In comparison the Milton Fairgrounds is about 22 acres and the Supercentre retail area next to the GO station is 26 acres.

Check Halton Healthcare's website for more details on the proposal.

http://www.haltonhealthcare.com/home.php

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