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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:49 pm 
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thanks Steve, I really appreciate the comments.

I just don't like seeing the property values in HV being affected and people missing the boat.

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First off, is thier anything you are basing this on (I would really like to know so I can make a more informed decision, definately not trying to be confrontational)?


You're not being confrontational at all. Everyone is entitled to informed advice. After all, a house is a huge investment for most people. :D

Here's a specific example for you.
I sold a Powell on Clark back in late February. The 1% guy sold a Powell on Clark back in February. They were virtually identical homes as far as upgrades etc. I listed mine at $352,900 and sold it 26 days later for $349,000. He listed his at $339,000 and sold it 17 days later for $336,000.
Because I took the time to help stage the home, hired a professional photographer for a virtual tour and pictures, etc. I helped net the homeowners a grand total of $334,167 (I gave them a slight commission discount as they hired me to find them a new house). The 1% guy took a few poorly lit pictures with his home camera and then disappeared - no staging, no virtual tour, no open house, no email blasts, no phone calls, no promotional flyers, no ads in multiple publications etc. and as a result the homeowners netted a grand total of $324,240- basically giving the new owners a $10,000 "gift".
This is not made up and is based on actual facts and statistics.

When you mentioned pricing a $300,000 home at $305,000, that won't happen. A listing for a Springridge semi just popped up yesterday. The 1% guy has it listed at $304,000. Springridges are selling anywhere from $315,000 to $329,000. So do the math there too.

So, when you mention the $5000 more for the full service agent, that's irrelevent as netting more in the end for you the homeowner should be the goal.

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I didn't read through this whole thing...but I do agree with Cliff....as well, the other side of things that I'm not sure was mentioned....I know someone said avoid agents who give you too low of a price....as they are trying to sell it quick....the reverse is avoid an agent who is giving you a too high price that seems too good to be true...these are agents also just trying to get the listing, your house will sit, and then instead of really working to sell it, they will be hassling you for a price reduction. There is a very common agent in our area who does this...(not on this site) and beware.
If anyone would ever like feedback on agents from a neutral perspective...I not only work with agents, but hear everything from all of my clients as well....So I not only give my 2 cents on who I would recommend, basing this on personality fits, area, character, reputation, etc. etc. to find a good fit, but also can give you some feedback if you wanted on other agents that you might be already considering.

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Cliff,

I agree completely with your 'rants' on the value of hiring a full service brokerage, and also agree that most clients will net a similar amount if they hire someone whom they feel comfortable with and who will spend the time and money to market their home.

However, it would be refreshing if we could stick to promoting the positive attributes of hiring the right agent, instead of speaking negatively of other people in our profession. We can all point out individual situations where a similar home sold for more, but there can be numerous reasons why.

Remember, everyone has their own reason for hiring a particular agent, and a different reason for selling. You'll generally find that the same type of client hires the same type of agent. I personally tend to deal with young families in the neighbourhood who are looking for a knowledgeable realtor, who lives in the area, and develops an ongoing relationship with his clients. Most of my business comes from referrals from past clients, and I almost never get the client looking for the 'best deal!' I'm proud to say that most of my clients realize that there is a lot more to a real estate transaction than simply the lowest commission.

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Guys, this is great info, I really appreciate everyone chiming in.


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Yeah it is good info....I have a Springridge on a premium lot Cliff so that was good info to hear as I'm moving next March :D


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After all, a home similar to your listing on Huffman (which you promoted as selling in three days for over asking) sold recently for $15k more. Do you feel like you owe your clients $15,000? Also, as someone who is charging their clients 4%, is it really right for you to attack someone charging 3.5% Those numbers sound fairly similar to me. Should a prospective customer suppose that you might have sold your listing on Clark for more if you'd have charged 5%?


Hunter, I see your point but there's a few errors in your reasoning :wink: . First of all, I don't charge 4% and secondly, the homes that were sold on Huffman were very different with regards to upgrades, elevations and they were sold over 2 months apart. We both know prices have sky rocketed on some models in the past 2 months. When homes are virtually identical and sold for drastically different amounts within days of each other, there's something not right.
Regarding personal attacks, I've never mentioned names and am merely pointing out facts.

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Cliff,

I've PMed you. I hope you didn't take my post as a personal attack, I didn't mean it to be.

I was just pointing out that there are always examples of homes selling for more or less than one of our clients, it's the nature of the business. It's our job to help the homeowner understand why the homes sold for different prices, and to use these comparable listing in our negotiations to try and get the best price for our clients.

As both of us are full service agents, I believe we have the same views regarding the proper service and marketing required to keep our clients happy. Let's both keep working hard, and do lots of business together.

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I don't get how people complain about all the upgrade pricing and all the minor inconviences when buying a new house, then they are willing to throw away thousands of dollars via a lower sale price just to make a smaller cheque out to the company that sold their house...

I would much rather write a monster commision cheque to an agent to get a monster sale price that will ultimately put more $$$$ in my pocket.

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Most people are wired in with an incredible fear of loss... much more than the excitement of gain.

I read an article recently about lower commission agents, and here are some things to consider... these are pretty much pasted from the article, so don't shoot the messenger!

You may agree or disagree, and that's okay.

There are seven factors that generally hold true for agents who are willing to cut their commission:

(1) They don't have a marketing system that works. In today's competitive real estate market, some agents are offering to cut their commissions because they don't have systems in place to find buyers. They're desperate to accept any terms and conditions in order to list a property.

Sellers need strength and conviction in this economy -- and someone who is ready, willing and able to defend their asking price at the negotiating table. Would they really want to trust the sale of their property to someone so quick to devalue their own worth as a salesperson? More important, if they are that willing to give up their own dollars, how quickly will they be willing to give up the seller's?


(2) They will cut service somewhere. Many factors come into play in finding a buyer who's willing to pay asking price. Marketing materials, advertising, direct mail, relocation incentives and more are all valuable tools that experienced, full-service agents employ to realize the best price, terms and timing when selling a home. Which will they leave out to accommodate their commission cut?


(3) They won't give it their all. A 1.5 percent reduction in commission equals up to 60 percent of the total commission. Would you really be excited about a 60 percent pay cut? Can the agent really be excited about working for the seller? Is he or she honestly motivated to sell the property? If the agent has five listings, and the others are at full commission, which one is LEAST likely to be marketed effectively?


(4) They might not get cooperation from other agents. Today's market is quickly shifting and extremely competitive. Most agents are choosing to work smarter. A cut commission on one end means there is less to split on the other end. Making your listing attractive for agents to show and sell requires collateral. Put the shoe on the other foot. If you had your choice of 10 properties to show, two of which meant a 2 to 2.5 percent commission and eight of which offered a 3 to 3.5 percent commission, which would you be more excited about putting on your HOT PROPERTIES tour?


(5) They likely won't get top price. If the agent is willing to let the seller negotiate him or her out of 15 percent or more of the income from the sale of the property, will they also let the buyer negotiate 15 percent or more from the purchase price? What is the agent's sale price to list price ratio? The seller might be losing tens of thousands of dollars just trying to save a couple thousand dollars in commissions.


(6) They simply don't know better. Some agents might be willing to take less because they lack the experience to fully understand the repercussions that they are agreeing to -- not only to their bottom line, but also to the seller's. As an experienced agent, I know that when I do not compromise on my integrity, service, systems or skills then I can, in good faith, give customers my honest promise to do my absolute best.


(7) They don't understand timing. One thing always remains constant: What sellers want most is to walk away with the most money in their pocket. Yes, a commission cut seems like the quickest way to accomplish that goal but, more often than not, it is a false perception. Lower commissions mean lower marketability, which means more time on the market. That equates into additional mortgage payments, utility bills, landscaping maintenance and much more. Having the right person with the right tools to tell the truth up front, set the best price and promote the sale aggressively and effectively will result in the primary goal of putting the most money in the seller's pocket.


By the way Cliff, I 100% agree with you about that Larkin... what a circus.

This is a small community and word spreads fast about people who are dishonest. It's a shame that some folks tell people what they want to hear in order to gain their business.

I will save my other more candid thoughts about this topic to discuss in private with my wife. :)


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Some more good points. Just to let everyone who contributed know thier words are not wasted, I am considering other factors besides pure comission. I guess another question is the importance of the brokerage, i.e. Coldwell vs Royal LePage vs Sutton etc...Does this play a role or is more to do with the agent themselves....


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nofear_102 wrote:
Some more good points. Just to let everyone who contributed know thier words are not wasted, I am considering other factors besides pure comission. I guess another question is the importance of the brokerage, i.e. Coldwell vs Royal LePage vs Sutton etc...Does this play a role or is more to do with the agent themselves....


What I was told was not really, but....... If you ask your agent to see 5 houses on the weekend and within your price range and wants/needs there is a conflict between brokerage's, they will more than likely show you their own..... I beleive he said they need to support the "mother ship"
That being said, if a purchasing agent is just showing their own brokerage and not any other's that are a better fit for you, DUMP THEM!

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Chuck,
excellent input!

You're right on the money

When it comes to the different brokerages there's not really a lot of difference. It comes down to the individual agents' work ethic and morals. A good agent will show their client homes from any brokerage. The needs of the client should always be the first concern.

By the way, if anyone is looking for the best agents in HV, based on feedback from the neighbourhood, here's my personal opinion... in no particular order.

Amy and Darryl Flowers,
Chuck and Melissa Charlton
Hunter Obee
Me :D

Cliff

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:06 am 
This is an interesting thread.....personally I'm going to go with a reputable agent when I sell my house before next March but over the past year or so, especially in HV, I see more and more people going with either private sales or the low comission agents. So obviously people are liking this route. I assume they are willing to get a little less for their house in order to pay less in comission. To each their own I suppose.


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Cliff, I would add the Worgans (Todd, Myrna and Russ) to the list.

If I had to sell my home and I couldn't use myself, they would be one of the ones I would certainly call. They are really top notch - organized, friendly and easy to deal with.

There are a lot of other very good agents in town as well - we've been working with Bill Currie on a house in the old part of town and he's been terrific.

Different strokes for different folks.

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