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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:24 pm 
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Does anyone know if a permit is required with the Town of Milton to build a Pergola attached to the backside of the house over a brick patio?

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 6:16 am 
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I would think so, and there will be some clearance requirements. This forum is the wrong place to ask what the Town of Milton will say. Like every other similar post, the best thing to do is to visit town hall and ask them. They are very helpful. The second best thing to do it to phone them and wait for a return call.

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 7:57 am 
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from what i've learned, any structure being attached to your house you'll most likely need a permit. meaning, check before you do.


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not sure why ppl keep asking these question on a forum when all they need to do is give the town and jingle and ask them. get it straight from the horses mouth rather than possibly getting wrong info and then getting screwed after.

the ppl there is quite friendly and is very willing to help. they're not vampires that you want to stay clear of unless you have to


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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 8:16 am 
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Thanks, I did and do plan on giving the town a call. I just figured posting to this community forum would provide some experience from others who have done similar.
Apparently I was wrong and posting here only gets me responses from unhelpful and unfriendly vampires.

Let's see how many more people can tell me to call the town. It's not like I was going to go pick up a permit from the local Home Depot.

If we can't ask these sorts of questions here I am uncertain what this forum is for besides everyone having a bitch session over planned road closures and traffic light installations that they have minimal control over.

Thanks.

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J&L, looks like the answer is yes... I was just on the site last night looking at something else:

https://www.milton.ca/en/build/buildingpermitfaq.asp
Expand the section that lists examples of projects requiring a permit, and pergolas are there.

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 8:52 am 
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J&L wrote:
Thanks, I did and do plan on giving the town a call. I just figured posting to this community forum would provide some experience from others who have done similar.
Apparently I was wrong and posting here only gets me responses from unhelpful and unfriendly vampires.

Let's see how many more people can tell me too call the town. It's not like I was going to go pick up a permit from the local home depot.

If we can't ask these sorts of questions here I am uncertain what this forum is for besides everyone having a bitch session over planned road closures and traffic light installations that they have minimal control over.

Thanks.


sorry it came across that way.

while 1 person might have built without a permit and never called the city to find out, might have given you an answer of just build as they never had any issues. if you took this advice and built it and say something bad happened, called insurance only to find out that it wasn't up to code because you didn't have permit and refused your claim. now i konw this is far fetched but it can be a reality. just saying better to get from horses mouth on something like this as it's an easy definitive way to get the "right" answer.


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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:00 am 
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Thanks Denti, I understand your point, and that some people might take this forum verbatim, however I know better and have plans to call the town, and properly supply drawings of anything i plan to build.
I suppose you can say my post here was simply to gather some advanced information before i get too far down the road. Next steps yes, is to contact the town.

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:37 am 
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Fred D wrote:
J&L, looks like the answer is yes... I was just on the site last night looking at something else:

https://www.milton.ca/en/build/buildingpermitfaq.asp
Expand the section that lists examples of projects requiring a permit, and pergolas are there.


Thanks Fred, I did review this page last night as well, however I didn't and still don't see a pergola mentioned. I assume you are referring to the mention of a Gazebo which is listed?
I also notice the first line where it mentions the size of 10 m2, which would most likely be the factor requiring a permit in my case.

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When is a building permit required? (Types of projects)

Under the Ontario Building Code Act, a building permit is required for the construction of any structure exceeding an area of 10 m2. (~108 ft2.).

A building permit is required for new construction, additions, alterations, renovations, relocations, demolitions, and repairs or rehabilitation of a building or structure. Some minor repairs do not require a permit. Listed below are some typical projects and whether or not they require a permit. Heating Ventilating and Air Conditioning permits (HVAC), and/or plumbing permits may also be required as a separate permit but are usually reviewed as part of the overall building permit. It is the responsibility of the owner to obtain a building permit. The approved drawings should be kept on the building site and be readily accessible at all times.


Examples of projects that require a building permit:
Finished Basements
Accessory Apartments
Decks (regardless of size if attached to house)
Accessory Building (shed, gazebo, cabana, carport, garage, farm building, poly hoop, etc...)
Additions (regardless of size)
Construction of attached and detached garages
Enlarging an exterior opening and any new interior opening in loadbearing wall
Finishing previously unfinished spaces such as rec. rooms, family rooms, attics, etc.
Converting any space/room into a bedroom,
Repair and underpinning of foundations
Construction of tent or group of tents greater than 60m2
Installation of pool enclosures
Repair or Replacement of the drainage/weeping tiles around the foundations
Any alternation or extension to plumbing system and heat/ventilation duct system
Replacement of the existing siding with brick/stone veneer or stucco
New or replacement of a Wood fire place
New or replacement of Masonry and Concrete Chimneys and Flues
Repair/Alterations to a Septic System
New septic tank
Building a retaining wall that exceeds 1.0m in height
Demolitions

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You should also check to see if the Pergola attached to the house will affect your property taxes. I know that in Toronto and Mississauga if you build anything attached to the house, such as pergolas, a garage, or even a deck, would automatically trigger an increase to your property taxes.

Many people are not aware of this and also that they need to notify their house insurance company of this new addition attached to their house. Something you should consider besides just getting a permit for it.


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All Star wrote:
You should also check to see if the Pergola attached to the house will affect your property taxes. I know that in Toronto and Mississauga if you build anything attached to the house, such as pergolas, a garage, or even a deck, would automatically trigger an increase to your property taxes.



Sorry to say but that is a myth. Property taxes are based on the selling prices of homes in a neighbourhood.

Contact Municipal Property Assessment Corporation (MPAC ). They will tell you how they assess homes.

https://www.mpac.ca

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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
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Sorry to say but that is a myth. Property taxes are based on the selling prices of homes in a neighbourhood.

Contact Municipal Property Assessment Corporation (MPAC ). They will tell you how they assess homes.

https://www.mpac.ca


Quoting from MPAC website:

To establish your property’s assessed value, MPAC analyzes sales of comparable properties in your area. This method is called Current Value Assessment, and is used by most assessment jurisdictions in North America. In addition, we look at all of the key features that affect market value. When assessing residential properties 200 different factors are considered.

We also look at these five factors, which account for 85% of your home’s value:
1.Location
2.Living area
3.Age of the property
4.Lot dimensions
5.Quality of construction

Note: They don't specify what the other 200 different factors are that would affect the market value and whether they consider those factors in the remaining 15% of the assessment.

I still think it's wise to phone them first and get the correct information before going ahead with any construction.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 2:52 pm 
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Yo, J&L,

I tried as hard as I could to get a building permit for my Pergola in town but could not get one as they are not required. My understanding is they are not required for the following reasons;
1. Although it is attached to the house with a ledger, since no one is walking on the top of the Pergola, a permit is not required. My small (<10m2) deck required a permit as it was attached to the house. The inspectors had no concerns about my Pergola which was built at the same time.
2. Since the Pergola does not have a solid roof, there is no significant snow load in the winter, therefore a permit is not required.

You can build the pergola with confidence in Milton.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 8:37 pm 
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Excellent, thanks KGC, good to hear someone's first hand real life experience.

If and when I decide to proceed and I have my plans properly drafted up, I will go visit the town before I start as well and fight hard to get myself a permit. :-)

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:57 pm 
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That is why I fought hard to get a permit, so I could get some guidelines on specifications for building a pergola like you can get for a deck or basement renovation. I got nothing from the town. Pergola's are totally unregulated.


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