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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:46 pm 
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I heard Sobey's as well but I think that it fell through...too many people and businesses fought it. I would love to know what is going there as I live in the neighbourhood. Colin? :D

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I personally am hoping for a No-Frills in the area..........

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starbucks?


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Tim Horton's , we only have 6 already


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colin can correct me, but i think the aim in the Sobey's dispute was to have medical offices go in there.. like the ones beside Credit Valley. it's zoned for employment.. so part of the problem with the Sobey's application was it would have to be re-zoned for retail.

again, this is all second hand info... Colin can clarify when he gets a chance :)


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There was supposed to be a Sobeys there but the town council nixed it. It is a huge mistake if you ask me. With the 1000's of homes going to be built in that general area (escarpment and around the hospital) people are going to need a place to shop for groceries.

Now as much as I love the downtown core (which was a big source of the opposition on council) there isnt a place for people to go other than travel along Derry towards the A&P or Loblaw's superstore (and God knows thats a hassle to get into now) or somewhere on the other side of town.

This will increase the amount of traffic in the area where they couldve solved the problem by having that available to the residents in the area.

Local opposition included people who lived in the area worried about traffic. Worried about increased traffic? Try and live near the new areas of town.

I think it was a big mistake to nix the Sobeys and or any other grocery store in the area. This will just lead to more congestion in towards town where it could be avoided. Main Street and Thompson ? Where is the major road that will take those living by the escarpment to the shopping centres? Derry? Sure, thats congested enough now lets add more. They can go through downtown, bypassing all the stores there, increasing the amount of traffic to have them go to Thompson.

Lack of foresight and aside from the talk about increased traffic (which can be fixed and planned) there wasnt a strong enough arguement for council to kill the idea.

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Hi everyone

The First Capital application was originally made during the previous council in 2006 (which I was not a part of) and approved by that Council contrary to Planning Department recommendations and the Town's Official Plan which state the area between Bronte and the CN rail line should be employment for office and light industrial uses (check milton.ca under official plan and zoning regulations). The official plan was also approved by the Province which the OMB has to take into account when making a decision.

This Council defeated the application in May 2007 by a 7-3 vote with all the urban councillors including the Mayor voting against the application.

First Capital appealed to the Ontario Municipal Board which may be holding a hearing the week of March 31 on depending on the lawyers of which there is the Town and FIVE other corporations including Mattamy,. Fieldgate and Manaman all of which had already approved retail centres in the Sherwood Survey plan. I understand from the Town planners that First Capital is under considerable pressure to keep the land as employment as there is a great need for a large office area with some minor restaurant and other uses (yes even a Starbucks, Tim Hortons etc.).

Milton Hospital through the Halton Health Care Services is currently planning a major expansion and may need to locate some of their office uses off the current Hospital location. As the Hospital will need to TRIPLE in size to handle Milton's current plans for 175,000 people by the year 2031 within the current Official Plan, and possibly the 350-400,000 people total that Milton may have under the Places to Grow Act which the Town and Region are raising serious concerns about the amount of growth and lack of funding for infrastructure such as schools, hospitals and transportation.

Part of the reasons for the denial which planning staff and I stated at the meeting are the currently approved retail centres such as:

35,000 square foot retail centre by Mattamy at Scott & Derry which will be heard at the next Planning & Administration meeting on March 21st.

35,000 s.f. retail centre on the north-west corner of Scott & Derry by Fieldgate homes where the Sales office is now located.

65,000 s.f. retail/office are by Mattamy at the south-east corner of Tremaine and Derry scheduled to be built after the Scott & Derry location is completed.

230,000 s.f. Manaman plaza to be built in 2009-10 at First Line & Louis St. Laurent (you can see the sign) similar to the A & P plaza on Thompson with a major anchor grocery store. Less than 1 km. south of the Derry and Bronte intersection.

35,000 s.f. retail centre by Penretail at the south-west corner of Derry and Santa Maria where the sales office is located.

60,000+ s.f. possible additions and retail areas within the Derry Road & Ontario Street commercial cluster including possible Food Port expansion etc.

40,000 s.f. already approved Sobey's store on Maple Ave. next to the Home Depot which was approved at the same meeting which has not been started yet.

35,000 s.f Walmart grocery store expansion at Steeles and James Snow Parkway which should be completed and open this summer.

190,000 s.f. First Gulf expansion on the former Regional Public Works yard on Steeles Ave. next to Canadian Tire which should be open by Christmas 2008.

40,000 s.f.+ retail centre on the north side of Maple Ave. at Fox which is on the March 25th meeting for approval.

Also several other downtown and small corner locations such as Derry & Thompson (also on the March 21st planning meeting) two live-work locations on Thompson & Derry and Derry and Holly as well as the 35,000 s.f. Mattamy retail centre at Holly and Derry which was approved but not built before the First Capital application.

If all of these and several others on Tremaine Road and Steeles Ave. are built, there will be about 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE built in the next 5-10 years as well as some downtown redevelopments that I am aware of that are not public knowledge yet.

All this is greater that the retail space currently at the Heartland Centre at Mavis and Britannia which serves a far greater population than Milton.

Milton planning staff are very confident that based on the previously approved Official Plan and Retail Studies by previous councils and recent updates by staff and retail consultants the current plan Milton has is defensible at the OMB and a retail centre at Derry and Bronte would disrupt the plans of other builders and downtown merchants for any new or expansion construction. Some of these corporations lawyers publicly stated at the meeting, that they would be taking legal action against First Capital and the Town, if the Town approved the First Capital/Sobey's site which could have cost the Town MILLIONS in legal and planning costs.

Check milton.ca for more details on these and other projects, as at present there is FIVE retail centres planned on Derry road alone that were approved by previous councils as part of the Bristol and Sherwood surveys.

As stated by councillors and residents at the meeting, Milton needs to have more office space and employment areas so Milton residents can work in Milton and not have to commute out of the area to work.

Feel free to pm me or email me at colin.best@milton.ca

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I was also hoping for a Sobeys in the Derry/Scott area, for the exact reasons listed above. No convenient shopping in the area. I would pass on the no frills though. Hard to find decent meat/fruits & veggies.
Something along the lines of Longo's/Fortinos/Sobeys would be great somewhere in that part of town!!


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Hi anonymous1 and busguy

Sorry for the delay in responding.

Yes the First Capital site at the north-west corner of Derry and Bronte is progressly quickly. The site plan was approved at last weeks Committee of Adjustment and I have been working with residents nearby concerned about the new traffic light at the new entrance from this development and the height of one of the new buildings which has been reduced.

The revised site plan is being presented at the Monday March 23rd Administration and Planning Committee which includes keeping the existing Pur Fitness and day care centre building until the leases run out, an anchor tenant of an 18,000 square foot Shoppers Drug Mart, both a Tim Hortons and Starbucks coffee shops at opposite ends of the property, two banks and a number of retail and office areas. The builders are working to start of construction later in March with openings in December of this year.

Regarding the other stores in the area please note my earlier post. The Fieldgate retail area at the north-west corner of Scott Blvd. and Derry Road includes a 35,000 square foot retail area and grocery store probably one of the chains you mentioned which staff are currently reviewing the technical report for presentation to Council later this spring for an opening sometime in 2010.

The Manaman retail area of 235,000 square feet of space similar to the Metro grocery store at Thompson and Louis St. Laurent Blvd. has been approved and the builder is estimating a 2010 opening with similar style grocery and other stores at the north-west corner of Louis St. Laurent and First line 1 km. south of the Hospital where you can see the leasing sign on the property. The construction is being timed with the construction of Louis St. Laurent from Thompson Road to Tremaine Road for an initial two lane arterial road which will be widened to a 4 lane artery as the Boyne Survey develops to the south of Louis St. (check the notices in the Champion and Compass papers)

There is also four other retail areas approved or in process in the Sherwood Survey at Commercial & Derry, the south-west corner of Scott & Derry, both sides of Derry at Tremaine Road and Tremaine and the new Main St. W. as part of the Intracorp Homes development.

Also the intersection of Ontario St. and Derry Road is an approved retail area with additional retail space being planned or already approved for expansion (see the sign on the east side of the Foodport store).

There will be further retail areas including grocery stores in the Boyne Survey plan of 50,000 people south of Louis St. Laurent Blvd. which is projected to start in 2012-13 depending of servicing and demand. I would encourage anyone interested in the planning of Milton's future to attend the workshop at the Milton Sports Centre next Thursday March 5th from 7 to 9 pm (check the notices in both papers) to become part of the process and tell the planners what you want in your community's future.

Colin Best
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Thanks for the update Colin :D

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Another Shoppers? Oy. I'd rather have a grocery store there.

When do the leases run out for the day care and Pur?


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Thanks for the update, now If there were only side walks along derry between savoline and bronte, I'd be all set!


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Thanks Colin, you're always a great source of information.

One question, what has been approved, if anything, at the corner of Savoline and Derry?

Thanks again,
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Great to see another Shoppers. My wife will be happy. Will the existing pur & daycare building be demolished when the lease is up?
Thanks again COlin. It's great to have insight for these things!!


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[quote="colin b."]

which includes keeping the existing Pur Fitness and day care centre building until the leases run out, [quote="colin b."]


When is that? is it soon? or 10 years from now?when the lease is out?


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