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Sorry Jdub, I promise this is my last posting on the gas station...

It's in reply to the previous posting on this topic, and also to make some additional and final points to support my strong opposition against the gas station:

I didn't mean to be NIMBYish and actually think the Tremaine/401 connection would be the best place for a gas station, so I don't want to force a gas station upon people at the Derry/Tremaine intersection (I didn't know Tremaine/Derry was already slated for a gas station). I do know however that gas stations, in Milton and everywhere else, are most often built on major intersections.

And, regarding proximity to the escarpment, please note: the Derry/Tremaine area isn't closer to the escarpment, although one of its many cliffs is more visible from there. The subdivisions along the east side of Tremaine are separated from the NEC (Niagara Escarpment Commission) protected lands by Tremaine, which runs alongside the NEC lands.

In choosing to buy a home near the escarpment, I purposely bought one in the Intracorp subdivision instead of a subdivision near Derry/Tremaine, for the following reasons:

1) I knew it'll be more busy & noisy at a major intersection like Derry/Tremaine, which would be less of a problem at Intracorp.

2) I also figured that a gas station could be a definite possibility at Derry/Tremaine since gas stations (as mentioned earlier) are likely to be built, and are located on, other major intersections in Milton and everywhere else. I chose the Intracorp location because I didn't want a gas station nearby. And, the salesperson confirmed that there would be no gas station on the plaza (the zoning actually does not permit a gas station).

3) The Scott North neighbourhood (including Intracorp) planned housing density was 26 units/net hectare, but in the subdivisions south of this, i.e. along Tremaine above and below Derry/Tremaine, the planned density was 35 units/nha. (see Sherwood Survey p.2, at

--- Therefore, based on points 1-3 above, I decided to make an extra investment to live in a lower density residential area, far from a major intersection, because I wanted, and expected, less noise and no gas station with a drive-through car wash (and, again, the current zoning does not permit one, unless the owner can get his way).

The above points regard the NIMBY references specific to the car wash.

---- Regarding my rethorical question about about environmental impact in the event of a major gas spill on sub-watershed/ground water:

This is something I ask myself because I'm not sure about it - and as was stated in the posting, is probably a weak argument (I should actually read the environmental studies done on this location, which should have been done, to see the results/conclusions). As the forum member says, there are gas stations located all over the country next to residential neighbourhoods, and it's usually not a problem. But, in some cases it has been an environmental problem after major spills. And, this gas station is not just located next to the typical residential neighbourhood, but next to NEC land (which is protected locally and also by the United Nations as a world biosphere), and not too far from a natural area with a creek to the east. I'd say the main reason why my question/argument is weak is this: based on the location near the NEC lands, this should also be a concern for the gas station at Derry/Tremaine. But again, environmental studies have probably been done to allow a gas station near the NEC lands.

Here's something I'm very happy about, and so are probably others who are against the gas station:

The environmental aspect may possibly be the only truly weak argument AGAINST the gas station & car wash, among the number of points I've made in the 3 postings on this forum (and will make to the town council after the next report). Fortunately, the owners of the Intracorp plaza (Durland Properties) and their authorized agent (Victor Lind), seem to have only one argument FOR the gas station, which is not only weak but ridiculous, irrelevant, and even humorous. They maintain that a gas bar & car wash would somehow help enhance, or contribute to, the plaza being a focal point for people to mingle and enjoy their environment, etc. Their only other possible argument could be that a gas station & car wash is required at that location to provide services, but this is definitely very weak, and it's virtually not applicable if a gas station is actually slated for Derry/Tremaine.

One final comment, and it's about the forum member not liking the NIMBY'ism of new people moving into Milton:

I think it's unfair to assume that some, or many, new people moving to Milton feel NIMBYish about things. Also, I must assume the forum member hasn't read my first posting (I've lived in Milton for 21 years).

on the note of semis and townhomes....any one know what is going to be build in the area south of our development on savoline. So if you are heading south from the intracorp site to your right just before the park. The way it is being set up looks like townhomes....concerns me as your adding a potential couple hundred cars that will probably use savoline now....thoughts?

But I have to say that a gas station at the corner is more visually appealling to me than a big old no frills...

On a side note we went to the site and it is looking great, the home that is up and has it's shingles is looking very nice. Can't wait till our house gets built.

I rather have a Tims or Starbucks ...... or just having a cool designed plaza, with a patio where people can just go and chill.

My opinion..... Im sure if there was a patio, lots of teens , adults would be there. Especially Tims.

-Rohit

Ooh, yes to Starbucks ... but let's make it a Starbucks with a Chapters attached to it. I'd totally love to live down the street from that!

Hi hi09

That site at the south-east corner of Pringle and Savoline is owned by the Halton Catholic District School Board who are planning a Kindergarten to Grade 8 elemtary school there in a few years time similar to the new school on Savoline south of Derry road next to the Optimist Park which is scheduled to open later this year.

Check the attached links for more details.

http://www.hcdsb.org/Schools/Constructi ... ault2.aspx

http://www.milton.ca/execserv/agendas20 ... Report.pdf

See figure 2 of the above report which shows the property known as Block 28 as an elementary school which is to serve the entire Scott neighbourhood similar to Escarpmentview school on Scott Blvd.

Colin Best
Local & regional councillor
Chair Milton Administration & Planning Committee

I hope they are meeting the quality standards which were promised at the time of sale.

Really?? You'd rather have a gas station in your back yard than a grocer?!

Well, um, I hope you get your wish then?

I get a little tired of people complaining about the No Frills -- especially people who don't even within view of it. I don't live right by it myself, but I do notice a lot of for-sale ads boasting about how close they are to grocery shopping so I'd think it's an overall plus. And if I did live closeby, I'd surely prefer it to a gas station (and a lot of other things like a fast food drive through or a late-night bar, etc.). But to each his own.

Did anyone else receive this as part of the sales pitch? I can't recall if I did. Since I bought late they emphasized the new builder incentives and didn't really pitch us with "quality standards" above some of the other builders in Milton. I'm curious as to what those were.