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Should we proceed with the velodrome?
This is a terrible idea. Kill it on sight 48%  48%  [ 64 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:42 pm 
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From the Town of Milton website
http://www.milton.ca/en/townhall/velodrome.asp

Proposed Velodrome for Milton

The proposed velodrome is a 250 metre oval cycling track with banked corners and 1500 permanent seats. In addition to the cycling track, the facility will also provide the community with access to recreations spaces that are non-cycling related. The infield portion of the track is large enough to hold the equivalent of three regulation size basketball courts and can be used for many different activities and events. Other potential spaces in the building could include a fitness centre, walking/jogging track and other associated amenities.

Community Input

Tell us what you think about the proposed Milton velodrome. Comments and feedback submitted by Wednesday, January 18 will be considered for the velodrome business plan.

Submissions are welcome after January 18, but will not be considered in the formal business plan.

Frequently Asked Questions
What is a Velodrome?
•An arena for track cycling (approximately 120,000 square feet)

•A banked oval track consisting of two 180-degree circular bends, connected by two straights (The straights transition to the circular turn through a moderate easement curve)

Multi-purpose Infield

•The infield (middle) of the track can be used for other recreational/event purposes, such as basketball, volleyball, badminton, soccer and trade shows, and is approximately the size of three basketball courts.

Existing Velodromes
•Carson City Velodrome, Manchester Velodrome & Manchester Velodrome, infield event


How was Milton selected as the preferred velodrome site for the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games?

September 23, 2011

•Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games committee approached the Town of Milton with the possibility to bid for a permanent velodrome

October 12, 2011

•Toronto 2015 committee invited the Town of Milton to submit Expression of Interest

October 17, 2011

•Milton Council resolution to explore two location options - the Milton Education Village as a permanent location and Derry Green Business Park as a temporary location

November 21, 2011

•Council Report: COMS-047-11

•Indication of support received (including letters from Laurier University, the Canadian Cycling Association and land donation)

•Further direction required from Toronto 2015 to reduce capital cost and local host share

December 5, 2011

•Council Report: COMS-050-11

•Milton Council authorized the Town of Milton to commit to funding local share based on a $40-million project

•Next step identified was to engage Sierra Planning to undertake Business Plan

•Required to report back to Council with results of Business Plan and due diligence process

Where is the money coming from to build the velodrome?

•$22 million: Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games organizing committee

•$19.8 million: Local share (includes 44% of the project cost at $40-million, plus site servicing/parking costs)

◦Town of Milton share confirmed at $3.8 million: Re-allocation of funds for future recreational facilities to serve community needs

◦Milton Education Village commitment at $2.5 million: Town of Milton to finance the Milton Education Village commitment; if timing is delayed, a contingency plan will be developed

◦Private sector partnership commitment at $13.5 million: This includes - pledged donations, sponsorship, in-kind services and fundraising support

•Peter Gilgan/Mattamy Group: $9 million committed

•TD Canada Trust: Tim Hockey and team

•Milton Energy and Generation Solutions

•TSAM Investment Group Inc. •GreenLife Energy

•Local suppliers/consultants

•Legal counsel

Where will the velodrome be located?

•Within the Milton Education Village: Louis St Laurent and Tremaine Road

•Adjacent to proposed location for Laurier University

Planned transportation links to the velodrome location:

•Public transit routes

•Cycling lanes on Tremaine Road

•GO station proposed at new Tremaine Road 401 interchange

•Town undertaking Secondary Plan for Milton Education Village and update to Trails/Cycling Master Plan in 2012

What will the velodrome be used for once the Pan/Parapan American Games are finished?

•Sierra Planning and Management, in cooperation with the JF Group have been retained by the Town to undertake a Milton based business plan for the legacy phase of the facility:

◦Discussions have been initiated with local/regional/national/international cycling groups with meetings, surveys and interviews planned to determine demand for the facility.

◦Discussions will be initiated with local sport organizations for infield use potential.

◦The extent of municipal risk associated with business plan projections will be verified.

•The facility will be used for a number of international, national and provincial competitions, creating a positive economic impact on the business community in Milton.

•There will be a significant opportunity for a high performance and local cycling legacy, as well as community recreational use.

What are the Milton velodrome timelines?

•January 2012: Business plan commenced

•Late January 2012: Report to Milton Council on business plan recommendations

•Late January 2012: Binding agreements to be signed following project approval by Milton Council

•Spring/summer 2012: Ground breaking and construction commences

•Summer 2014: Targeted completion date

•June/July 2015: Pan/Parapan American Games

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In keeping with our committment to hearing from residents on important issues that we face, the Town of Milton is looking for your input on the possible velodrome proposal that is coming up for councils review later this month.

This effort accomplishes two things. One is to get the all important feedback from residents on the direction of the town and second is to clear up any questions you may have about it. Its no secret that I have been a supporter of the idea as well as getting more information on the velodromes potential, its costs and the long term impact on the town of Milton. I am not 100 per cent on board with this until we “get the numbers”.

I was supportive of the project with the caveat that the impact on Milton taxpayers be minimal to zero (with no impact being my goal) from day one. I beleive that with this project in place, it will kick start the much needed approval for the Milton Education Village / Laurier University campus on the west side of town. You can search my blog for “velodrome” to see more of what has been discussed.

Please take some time to visit the Town’s website and provide your input today so that council can be presented with the full picture on the January 23rd meeting when the decision is to be made. We want to hear from you. Click on my linkto contact your town councillor if you would like to send us your comments directly. My email is mike@mikecluett.ca

NEWS RELEASE

January 10, 2012

Town of Milton seeks community input on Velodrome
The Town of Milton invites the community to provide input on the proposed Velodrome through the Town’s website, http://www.milton.ca.

In December 2011, Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan Am Games announced Milton as the preferred site for the Velodrome. A business plan is scheduled to be presented to Council on January 23, 2012 after which Council will decide whether or not to proceed with the Velodrome and hosting the Pan/Parapan Am Games.

“We are looking forward to learning from members of the Milton community how this major facility can best meet their recreational needs,” said Town of Milton Mayor Gord Krantz. “I encourage everyone to visit our website to find out more about this proposed facility and what it can mean for the Milton community.”

The Velodrome webpage will include information on location, funding, timelines, as well as plans for the Velodrome after the Pan/Parapan Am Games. Public input and comments are invited to be submitted through the webpage and will be accepted until January 18, 2012.

For more information or to provide input, visit http://www.milton.ca/en/townhall/velodrome.asp.

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For further information, please contact:

Jennifer Reynolds - Director, Community Services - 905-878-7252, ext. 2180

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:14 pm 
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Don’t forget, the reason we are this far down the waxed velodrome slope is that, at 2 previous council meetings, councillors spoke and voted in favour of proceeding with the evaluation provided that:
a. The campus would be approved by the province before a Milton commitment to the velodrome.
b. There would be no cost to taxpayers.
Those should remain the criteria for a council decision on January 23.

Mike, I appreciate your enthusiasm but you are representing the taxpayers of Milton. Some may share your enthusiasm if the velodrome is truly “free”. If taxpayer money is required, or a significant risk of same, I believe there would be very little enthusiasm from the majority who would have to pay. If given a choice they would probably prefer any extra taxes go for a needed program like the hospital expansion. Or if the town is really into high-risk exotics perhaps taxpayers would prefer a zoo, aquarium, pro football stadium, airport, town golf course, planetarium, botanical garden, horse facility like Spruce Meadows, etc. over a velodrome.

Please read the staff report to your tax-sensitive daughter and let us know if she cries. :)


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miltonLeo wrote:
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I just hope there are more Malboeufs running for council come next election cycle. Someone has to stop mortgaging the town's future.


God help us if there are more Malboeufs!! They'll pave everything over with concrete and charge us tolls to pay for the up keep!!!!

Malboeuf couldn't see the future if it kicked him in the rear!!!

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garlis wrote:
...If given a choice they would probably prefer any extra taxes go for a needed program like the hospital expansion. Or if the town is really into high-risk exotics perhaps taxpayers would prefer a zoo, aquarium, pro football stadium, airport...


Milton already has an airport.


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The campus would be approved by the province before a Milton commitment to the velodrome.
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JTP wrote:
garlis wrote:
...If given a choice they would probably prefer any extra taxes go for a needed program like the hospital expansion. Or if the town is really into high-risk exotics perhaps taxpayers would prefer a zoo, aquarium, pro football stadium, airport...


Milton already has an airport.


Burlington has the airport :) .

I would love to see a firm campus commitment but I think there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening before the Jan deadline.

I'd like to see more details about revenue opportunities from the infield space and where that information comes from, and overall operating cost projections.


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The address for the Airport is Milton.
Burlington Executive Airpark
5342 Bell School Line
Milton, ON L9T 2Y1


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Hi JTP

Thats Canada Post's definition for some of the north Burlington area. Most of Milton north of the 15th side road is located at R.R. #2 Rockwood and some of Halton Hills rural areas are also listed as Milton for Canada Post delivery.

Here is the Airport's website for more information and their expansion work. Bell School line is the boundary road between Milton and Burlington from #2 side road north to Derry road. The airport is located on the west side of the road south of Britannia road.

http://www.burlingtonairpark.com/

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Perhaps I have missed it somewhere in the posts or papers that have been presented at Council but has there been any discussion on what is included in the PanAm cap on capital cost of $45 million. Much has been made of the fact that this is going to be a multipurpose velodrome with many ideas in what could or may be provided in addition to the cycling facility but I haven't seen any discussion on the costs of making it multi purpose and the ongoing operating costs of this.

Will this "incremental", and I assume it will be incremental, (after all there is no such thing as a free lunch) cost be covered by both the PanAm games Capital budget and the ongoing "legacy fund"?

Also I think it is a given that we will not hear of any approval for MEV before Jan 24 - anyone disagree with that assumption? I presume that the business plan will take into account the building of infrastructure for the velodrome ahead of its required timeframe for the MEV and the opportunity cost of advancing that Capital budget.

I have to confess I also find it a little disingenuous asking for public input less than two weeks before the plan is due to be presented. At least in the private sector I would expect the plan to be close to finalisation at this point in the schedule. Oh well better late than never!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:51 am 
Mike_Cluett wrote:
In keeping with our committment to hearing from residents on important issues that we face, the Town of Milton is looking for your input on the possible velodrome proposal that is coming up for councils review later this month.

This effort accomplishes two things. One is to get the all important feedback from residents on the direction of the town and second is to clear up any questions you may have about it. Its no secret that I have been a supporter of the idea as well as getting more information on the velodromes potential, its costs and the long term impact on the town of Milton. I am not 100 per cent on board with this until we “get the numbers”.

I was supportive of the project with the caveat that the impact on Milton taxpayers be minimal to zero (with no impact being my goal) from day one. I beleive that with this project in place, it will kick start the much needed approval for the Milton Education Village / Laurier University campus on the west side of town. You can search my blog for “velodrome” to see more of what has been discussed.

Please take some time to visit the Town’s website and provide your input today so that council can be presented with the full picture on the January 23rd meeting when the decision is to be made. We want to hear from you. Click on my linkto contact your town councillor if you would like to send us your comments directly. My email is mike@mikecluett.ca

NEWS RELEASE

January 10, 2012

Town of Milton seeks community input on Velodrome
The Town of Milton invites the community to provide input on the proposed Velodrome through the Town’s website, http://www.milton.ca.

In December 2011, Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan Am Games announced Milton as the preferred site for the Velodrome. A business plan is scheduled to be presented to Council on January 23, 2012 after which Council will decide whether or not to proceed with the Velodrome and hosting the Pan/Parapan Am Games.

“We are looking forward to learning from members of the Milton community how this major facility can best meet their recreational needs,” said Town of Milton Mayor Gord Krantz. “I encourage everyone to visit our website to find out more about this proposed facility and what it can mean for the Milton community.”

The Velodrome webpage will include information on location, funding, timelines, as well as plans for the Velodrome after the Pan/Parapan Am Games. Public input and comments are invited to be submitted through the webpage and will be accepted until January 18, 2012.

For more information or to provide input, visit http://www.milton.ca/en/townhall/velodrome.asp.

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For further information, please contact:

Jennifer Reynolds - Director, Community Services - 905-878-7252, ext. 2180



Thanks Mike. Question. When you fill out the form at the bottom are three options Done, Save, and Cancel. How does it send it to the Town? Done or Save? I clicked on both and didn't get any confirmation. Thanks


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colin b. wrote:
Hi JTP

Thats Canada Post's definition for some of the north Burlington area. Most of Milton north of the 15th side road is located at R.R. #2 Rockwood and some of Halton Hills rural areas are also listed as Milton for Canada Post delivery.

Here is the Airport's website for more information and their expansion work. Bell School line is the boundary road between Milton and Burlington from #2 side road north to Derry road. The airport is located on the west side of the road south of Britannia road.

http://www.burlingtonairpark.com/

Colin Best
Local & regional councillor
Wards 2,3,4,5 North of Derry Road
Milton/Halton


Thanks Colin,
I figured it was one of those "grey area/border issues" but I had no idea how badly a Federal enterprise could....Oh, wait. Nevermind.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:26 pm 
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You're not wrong. Of course it's already a done deal.

And clearly they're just waiting on staff and the consultant's report to provide the cover. Then the councilors will post idiotic sales-school-101 type math examples purporting to show how much fiscal sense this scheme makes, regardless of the fact that it's all just fun with numbers since the bulk of the funding isn't actually committed (minor detail). In what parallel universe do fundraising goals count as actual funding?

I just hope there are more Malboeufs running for council come next election cycle. Someone has to stop mortgaging the town's future.



+1. Why does everyone ensist on turning Milton into the next Mississauga. It was fine the way it was. If you don't like it move or better yet stay in Mississauga. Why would people move here for the small town feel and then bitch and complain there is nothing here and want to turn it into a big city. Why does Milton need to be a tourist attraction can't it just be home.



I do not understand where you are living? Milton has aways been a tourist attraction, Mohawk horse racing and now a casino, Kelso/Glen Eden, all the conservation areas, Down Town Main St. Come out of your cave and you will see people from all over the GTA visit Milton. We can do this for the next generation who will want to stay in Milton and not move out.



Lol whatever dude. Tourists in Milton.....lmao. It's a nice bedroom community. That's why people moved here. Stop dreaming.


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garlis wrote:
Please read the staff report to your tax-sensitive daughter and let us know if she cries. :)


:) That is my test when it comes to spending money. If Miranda doesnt like it, she cries, I vote no. She's had a good track record so far.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:10 pm 
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Lol whatever dude. Tourists in Milton.....lmao. It's a nice bedroom community. That's why people moved here. Stop dreaming.


Sure its a bedroom community always has been. But I don't think I am dreaming when I go out and visit all Milton has to offer and talk to people that have come from other communities. As i said before, come out of your cave and you will see for yourself. Milton will have to keep up as it grows, and not be stuck in the ice age. Thanks Dude[/quote]


To each their own. I like Milton the way it was 15 years ago. You want it to become a thriving metropolis. I don't think we are going to agree on anything. Oh well back to my cave. Where I will search for a better place to live. I hear Airdrie, AB is nice.


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