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smith
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:04 am 
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MiltonBorn wrote:
prickly_pete wrote:
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I beg to differ. I am a crossing guard at a 4 way stop, almost being hit 3x myself by some of these "safe" drivers. I could tell the Mom's and Dad's out there, stories about some of these "safe" drivers that would make their hair stand on end. There are many drivers on the streets that have no regard for children's safety. When you hold up a stop sign it means stop and school zone means there are kids in the area which some drivers choose to ignore because they are in a hurry to get to work. I wish the police would come and sit at my corners. They'd have a field day.


Interesting. The police have refused your invitations to do so?


This is not something to make fun about.


His point is perfectly valid -- That is, if you or anyone else explained this problem to the police, they probably wouldn't do anything differently (maybe one officer would do extra enforcement for a day) because it's not their priority. There priorities have nothing to do with what people actually want or need, and rarely ever do.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:16 am 
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dillon wrote:
What do you base this on? I'll go with common sense - when people know you have unmarked police cars driving around enforcing traffic laws, it makes sense that it creates a general deterrent effect.


That's a sure sign of a police state. We live in a free country, and unmarked police shouldn't be acting covertly against the general population.

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Thing is, I don't think those people wear t-shirts identifying themselves though, so i guess the police figure they'll start with all the drivers who break the basic traffic laws and go from there. And if they see someone breaking a real "dangerous" one, then bonus! They'll probably give that guy or girl a ticket too.


Many of the laws are asinine, and those tend to be the ones enforced the most heavily.

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I'd rather they ticket all the "good drivers" breaking the "minor" traffic laws in the meantime, while waiting for that dangerous guy. I mean it's better than sitting around doing nothing, right?


That's a completely ridiculous line of reasoning.

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And in the meantime, I'll make sure I don't break any minor traffic laws so i don't get a pesky ticket. And if i do break one and get a ticket, I'll feel stupid, I'll suck it up, and I'll realize that i knew the rules, I took a chance or was careless, and now I'll face the consequence. I won't call it a cash grab or say I'm an awesome driver and they should know that and leave me alone and go pick on my neighbour or someone else instead.


So that's what you'll say/think even if whatever you did wasn't unsafe, or perhaps wasn't even exactly what the police allege?
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:19 am 
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dillon wrote:
the thing is, all these things seem harmless until a driver does one and hits someone, then the danger is obvious. and people always say "but i don't do that when there are other cars or pedestrians around". but the point is, people don't see all the other cars or pedestrians and that's how all these accidents happen in the first place.


Yes, if you don't see other cars or pedestrians, that's called being negligent. That doesn't mean everyone who doesn't stop in the exact way prescribed by law is being careless.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:22 am 
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LovelyThanks4Asking wrote:
I walk (and drive) in downtown Toronto every day and it's absolutely beyond me how anyone could possibly jump off a curb the way they do, without looking, (grown adults!) and expect that all traffic around them stop.


In many cases it's sheer arrogance. In other cases it's people who are so absent minded that self preservation gets completely ignored.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:50 am 
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His point is perfectly valid -- That is, if you or anyone else explained this problem to the police, they probably wouldn't do anything differently (maybe one officer would do extra enforcement for a day) because it's not their priority. There priorities have nothing to do with what people actually want or need, and rarely ever do.[/quote]

Officers do drive through at least once or twice a shift, but there is actually nowhere they can sit where they won't be seen. But when they are present, all drivers play nice and abide by the rules of law. But as soon as he leaves the area, they are at it again. Seems that they only abide by the rules and regulations when there is a police presence and when they're not there, laws and regulations don't matter. Maybe an unmarked vehicle in the area is the way to go.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:35 am 
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There even is an online form to report traffic violations
http://www.haltonpolice.ca/PRC/Pages/ROADWATCH.aspx
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:39 am 
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MiltonBorn wrote:
Officers do drive through at least once or twice a shift, but there is actually nowhere they can sit where they won't be seen. But when they are present, all drivers play nice and abide by the rules of law. But as soon as he leaves the area, they are at it again. Seems that they only abide by the rules and regulations when there is a police presence and when they're not there, laws and regulations don't matter. Maybe an unmarked vehicle in the area is the way to go.



And if *everyone* is breaking the law then the law itself is probably not valid or practical...
Its like speeding or downloading copyright material
At worst its civil disobedience, at best the law needs to change
But ticketing 10% of the "criminals" does not change what anyone is doing and is nothing more than revenue generation
It does not make the street any safer
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